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Long Weekend observing (Phil's supplementary report)

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2024 9:42 am
by scribbly
Hello,

firstly, a big thank you to Joe ( @OzEclipse ) for his hospitality and 3 wonderful nights
of observing after several months of limited opportunity due to poor weather. Please read Joe's report if you have
not already as it gives an excellent account of the this long weekend.

I will focus on our observation of comet 144P Kushida, with a little more detail. We both viewed the
comet through Joe's 18" dob and my Genstar 10". In the 18" scope, the comet was easily observed, though
not overly bright; so much so that I thought that I might have difficulty locating and perhaps
event observing it in the 10" scope.

However, I need not have been concerned. The comet appeared to be a diffuse reasonably large
round such object of even value. It was certainly dim, with low contrast to the surrounding dark
background (thanks to dark skies and nice optics). I did not detect a brighter core, though it was
clear in the image that I took with my refractor at the same time. I have attached a "simulated"
EP view, developed from this image in Photoshop. It perhaps even over-represents the brightness,
and no doubt the calibration of your monitor will affect the representation too.

Now to finding the comet. Quite a task With a fully manual dob; it took quite a bit of time/effort
as opposed to using the Nexus push-to on the 18" :-) The 10" is very light weight and finely balanced
and only supports the use of a Rigel finder. Unfortunately, with the light loss through the finder, the
dimest stars that I seem to be able to identify are about 4th magnitude in a dark sky (and 3rd mag at
home on the urban fringe).

The comet was some 3+ degrees from the nearest 4th mag star. My method, which works for brighter
objects (especially near bright stars) truly tested me to the limits of my ability. I looked up the comet's
location in Sky Safari (which I have configured to match the finder's rings), and then step out a multiple
of one/other ring in the approximate direction, which is follows by a quick search pattern.

In this case, the comet was clearly going to be too dim to find via search pattern. I did however,
notice in SS that it was in the field of view of 3 slightly relatively brighter stars forming a line, with an
8th mag star (very bright in the scope) also in the FoV. I was able to find this star pattern using a
search, and behold, there was the comet (right where SS had it plotted). It took multiple attempts
and I also cross referenced with Joe's telrad to confirm I was looking in the correct region of the sky.

I know there are some options to help assist with sky navigation (e.g. Geoptik Naidirus) and may
someday invest in a tool. This would be a big help in my heavy LP skies at home. For the time being,
I am enjoying star hopping. I do quite well using the main scope EP where the "bread crumbs" are easy
to follow but struggle when the star hops are hard to follow - more experience required.

If you have made it this far, I hope that I have not bored you too much. I can "rabbit on" a bit when I
get started.

I will also add a piece to the telescope section in the near future. The 10" is quite interesting and
somewhat unique, with an interesting history.

Thanks, Phil
20240310 Comet 144P Kushida - EP simulation.jpg

Re: Long Weekend observing (Phil's supplementary report)

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2024 4:24 pm
by helicon
Nice detailed report on comet 144P Kushida Phil. Congrats on nabbing the VROD for the day for your observation with the 10" scope. Nice rendering as well. Glad that you could share several evenings with @OzEclipse under the stars.

Re: Long Weekend observing (Phil's supplementary report)

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2024 5:07 pm
by kt4hx
Excellent report with Kushida Phil, and congrats on the VROD. Glad to see you get out for some observing after so long.

I will add that on my dobs, I also utilize a Rigel QF, but for aiming the scope at the nearest naked eye visible star to my target only. I also have an 8x50 RACI optical finder mounted on them for the actual star hopping. The two types of finders are a great combo that makes star hopping easier.

Re: Long Weekend observing (Phil's supplementary report)

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2024 6:58 pm
by Gordon
Great report Phil!

Congratulations on the TSS VROD!

Re: Long Weekend observing (Phil's supplementary report)

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2024 7:22 pm
by Bigzmey
Sounds like you guys had a blast. Congrats on catching the comet and on the VROD!

Re: Long Weekend observing (Phil's supplementary report)

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2024 10:48 pm
by OzEclipse
Great report Phil.

Great to have you out here, as always.

Congratulations on the VROD.

Joe

Re: Long Weekend observing (Phil's supplementary report)

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2024 11:01 pm
by messier 111
nice report , congrat , thx .

Re: Long Weekend observing (Phil's supplementary report)

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2024 7:39 am
by scribbly
thanks all for the feedback; very much appreciated.

Alan ( @kt4hx ), yes a finder scope would be a great addition though it would be hard to mount in a way not to upset the scope's balance. My previous scope had a Tak 6x30
and I really enjoyed using it. Joe has suggested that I could use the finder off my Skywatcher ST80 as that is small and light; that might work?? For the time being it is the 24 Panoptic
in the main scope's EP (1.3 degree FoV), which I have configured in Sky Safari. I plan to again observe the GC's in Oph and Sgr (per your report last year), and this time do them manually with a
view to improving my star hopping skills and this I can do from the urban fringe (whereas the galaxies you hunt are for a dark sky and then many are beyond my limits).

To Joe a final thanks, now onto the next star party!!
Cheers, Phil

Re: Long Weekend observing (Phil's supplementary report)

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2024 2:54 pm
by kt4hx
scribbly wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2024 7:39 am thanks all for the feedback; very much appreciated.

Alan ( @kt4hx ), yes a finder scope would be a great addition though it would be hard to mount in a way not to upset the scope's balance. My previous scope had a Tak 6x30
and I really enjoyed using it. Joe has suggested that I could use the finder off my Skywatcher ST80 as that is small and light; that might work?? For the time being it is the 24 Panoptic
in the main scope's EP (1.3 degree FoV), which I have configured in Sky Safari. I plan to again observe the GC's in Oph and Sgr (per your report last year), and this time do them manually with a
view to improving my star hopping skills and this I can do from the urban fringe (whereas the galaxies you hunt are for a dark sky and then many are beyond my limits).
Cheers, Phil

You could use counterweights at the bottom of the tube off set the added weight of an 8x50 finder. Since my 10 and 12 inch dobs have rolled steel tubes, I can use magnetic weights to counter any extra bulk up front. But most certainly you could utilize a smaller finder to help make it easier as well. You have a knowledgeable friend in Joe, so I am confident you two can come up with a good solution. I hope you guys have a great year of deep sky observing Phil. I envy your regular views of the southern objects.

Re: Long Weekend observing (Phil's supplementary report)

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2024 6:39 pm
by John Baars
Nice report, thanks!
Congratulations on the VROD