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https://arxiv.org/pdf/2312.09329.pdf

Pretty interesting article.
Wonder about all the debris too.
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Interesting but from just a quick scan I see that some numbers that they put forward as important are actually wrong.
I will definitely give it a closer read later. :)
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Yeah, I haven't tried to work thru those numbers either, but I would be quite surprised if anything humans are doing in regard to dust and plasma generation could rise to the levels of entirely natural effects, except in highly localized regions over short-lived timescales. It's tough to rearrange nature. Question: Is that author assuming that falling/failing satellites are vaporized and turn into plasma? Seems to me that when they "burn up" on reentry, that process would rather rapidly form neutral particles that should tend to settle out. Hmm. Maybe I'm missing something. After all, it's not like Skylab was simply converted 100% into ionospheric plasma when it came down. And let's not forget about all those natural meteors. "An estimated 25 million meteoroids, micrometeoroids and other space debris enter Earth's atmosphere each day,... which results in an estimated 15,000 tonnes of that material entering the atmosphere each year," says Wikipedia. Hmmm!
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This too:

A NEW PROBLEM WITH SATELLITE MEGACONSTELLATIONS? Earth's magnetic field helps us navigate and protects us from solar storms. It's crucial. However, a new study suggests that satellite megaconstellations could be tampering with our planet's magnetism by depositing a shell of conductive material in the upper atmosphere. Full story @ Spaceweather.com.

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It's certainly got some "itchy" places in the data for me as well.... I do think it's interesting, though and certainly worth attending to as a concept as we keep adding to that ball.
We didn't really worry all that much about underarm deodorant aerosols and refrigeration methods either for quite the longest time until some atmospheric scientists noticed a hole in the sky 😉
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hosshead wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 12:48 pm It's certainly got some "itchy" places in the data for me as well.... I do think it's interesting, though and certainly worth attending to as a concept as we keep adding to that ball.
We didn't really worry all that much about underarm deodorant aerosols and refrigeration methods either for quite the longest time until some atmospheric scientists noticed a hole in the sky 😉
I agree, I'm not going to go over the numbers but our ability to pollute our planet knows no limit. Megaconstellations of satellites pumped up there by Corporations are not for the benefit of mankind, but for the further enrichment of of the few. Let's not carry this legacy further into space.
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AGREED!
Binoculars; Celestron Skymaster 18-40 X 80 zoom, Bushnell7-15 X 35 zoom, a couple of older single speed Bushnells that ride around in the car for weather spotting clarification
Scopes; Tiny little Mak-Cass Celestron c90 spotter scope that lets me count the moons of Jupiter and with which I can see Saturns rings in Mickey Mouse phase
Old Meade 1000mm f/11 that was missing the finder scope and ring so I rigged one onto the barrel using duct tape and a bit of cardboard and that actually works and I can count the moons of Jupiter with this one too.
Meade 6" reflector,(really elderly), found at a yard sale, the tube is a bucket of rust and corroded mirror but the mount and tripod will be recoverable so hooray for that.
Cameras; Mamiya medium format 645 with a couple of polaroid backs and a series of wide angle to 50mm lenses
Konica-Minolta 35mm,Sony alpha dslr's, up to the a900 full frame, mostly got them used because I don't have much money.
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