DSLR On A Tripod

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So, last night I was out in the front yard attempting to image the aurora. Too much ground fog and too little aurora made for less-than-spectacular images. It was very clear (and moonless) at higher elevations in the sky out to my east and Orion looked the way Orion should look - stunning! So I swiveled the camera around and up to point at Orion and snapped this single image.

Before I share this image, let me pull out my soapbox so I might wax philosophic. We say that your AP journey can start very simply with nothing more than a DSLR (or your camera of choice) on top of a simple tripod and then just start shooting away. This is the beginning of establishing and honing your skills as an astrophotographer. This simple to-do task can yield some very pleasing results: I give this single image of Orion (unretouched - straight from the camera).

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Camera: Canon T3i
Exposure: 15 seconds
Lens: Stock Canon 18-55mm EF-S lens @35mm
ISO: 3200

If you look carefully, it looks mildly out of focus, but if you zoom in you'll notice the stars are not pinpoints, they are little lines. Even at 35mm FL and only a 15-second exposure, you still get very short star trails.

Here's the image:
Orion T3i 35mm 15sec ISO3200.jpg

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Justify it however you wish JT but that is insanity taking hold :lol:
Nice image by the way.
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Lady Fraktor wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2023 4:55 am JT but that is insanity taking hold
Can insanity truly be sensed from within or must you be an outside observer to make such a claim? And if that is the case, which one of us is insane?

I'm still waxing philosophic! And thanx for the cudo!
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I stepped over that line a long time ago. :)
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Irrespective of your level of sanity JT, that's a pleasing image!

Nothing wrong with going back to your roots every now and then.

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I always am happy to see Orion rising in the East. That means that Arizona will begin to see cooler temperatures - finally! Great capture! Thanks for posting.
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StarBru wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:09 pm I always am happy to see Orion rising in the East. That means that Arizona will begin to see cooler temperatures - finally! Great capture! Thanks for posting.
I always tell friends how much I like the four seasons we have here in the midwest: Spring, Summer, Fall, Arizona.
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Single 15 second exposure. Setup / pack up time 5 mins. Processing time - 0
Result - 100%
Makes me wonder about all this hassle with scopes, mounts, filters, guiding and processing.
Back to basics is great fun and you have definately inspired me to have a go at some constellations.
Thanks for sharing,
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There is a formula for calculating, based on lens FL, your max exposure time before star trails become "annoying". I'll try to find it but it basically substantiates the rule of 500 for a full-size sensor and the amended rule of 300 for APS-C sized sensors.

Put this under the "Fun Fact" category!
Also, this website goes into extreme (borderline excruciating) detail about this subject, but near the bottom, it has a calculator that looks pretty good.
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I can see where this is going JayTee :think: A star tracker will be next on my shopping list :o :icon-smile:
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Instead for a lot less money, you could do this.

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∞ G&G Scopes: #1: Meade 102mm f/7.8 #2: Bresser 102mm f/4.5
∞ Guide Scopes: 70 & 80mm fracs -- The El Cheapo Bros.
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Hi JayTee,

Your image stands very well on it's own. When I expanded the image, it probably occupied about 8"x10" of my desktop and looked just smashing!
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Thanks, Jim,

Once again proving that even our beginning meager setups can yield very acceptable results.

BTW, my acceptable star trail tolerance is 5 pixels.
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I’ve only putzed around a bit with my phone camera, but it has been surprising how soon stars start to trail when taking a static shot. Still fun though.
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Nice picture :)
From the experiments I did with a fixed tripod, my limit was 8 seconds, from then on the stars become tic-tac.
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