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I am interested in this hobby, but I dont have a high budget. Are any of these telescopes good for this hobby?

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Hello, you will have to repost your links or just let us know what they are :)
Stating a budget is useful as well.
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Re: What telescope should I pick?

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Well this probably isn't the answer you are looking for, but please bear with us as others will more than likely weigh in with similar comments. Too many folks buy such inexpensive scopes and get discouraged because more often than not these scopes just don't provide the kind of experience the buyer is expecting. Now I admit that I'm not familiar with the two you posted but others in that price range are poorly made with sloppy fits, weak tripods, poor optics, and inflated advertising claims.

What I very seriously urge you to do before you buy anything is to find a local club where you can attend some of their observing sessions. You'll be able to see a variety of scopes and ask questions about them. Some clubs (and some local libraries as well) have scopes that can be borrowed by members, thus you could, as the saying goes, try before you buy.

Also it is possible that a member might have a scope you could borrow on a long-term loan, or even buy for a price you can afford.

You write that you don't have much of a budget, but the reality is that a scope that is worth owning is going to cost more than what I see those two selling for. Consider that the raw manufacturing cost of those packages, with all the listed accessories, is probably ten bucks or less. Frankly, if money is tight, don't risk it on something at that end of the price scale.

Finally, many folks advise newcomers to start out with a good pair of binoculars even though what you want is a telescope. First, there is much to see with them and there are books specifically for binocular astronomy. Second, binoculars are useful for daylight fun — bird watching, sports events, and much more — and if for some reason your interest in the stars should wane, you still have a useful instrument.

So please, find a club first and go from there.
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@gregl makes some good points there @UnityLover

If you are this new to the hobby then scan the skies with your naked eyes first, and acquaint yourself with what you can see nearby - i.e. planets and constellations.

Binoculars, as suggested, are the next step to bring those objects into closer view.

This will give you a good grounding in the hobby, and will also give you chance to ask more questions of our members as to the best choice for a beginners telescope. Also, it would give you time to save more money to get the best that you can afford.

It is not a hobby to dive straight into where expensive equipment is involved.

Take your time and be guided by our members' suggestions first.
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Did you mean:



and

??

If you did, beware!
The frontlens may be okay, but because of the simple design of the eyepieces in this very fast f/4 system, they will not deliver the sharp images you might expect. Moreover you'll be in for a surprise when you use it by day or by night: the combination of the simple Huygens eyepieces and the very short focal length is not capable of delivering sharply defined images. Instead they will be blurred, unsharp and have severely false colored rims. At the edge of the field of view everything is blurred. If you have seen the demonstration video's you might have noticed that the mount is not capable of holding the instrument steady. The slightest touch causes the instrument to shake like a leave in the wind.
Basically this is a children's toy with 15X magnification. All other magnifications make the image pretty dark, unsharp and all objects will be surrounded by a fiercely colored rim. To make it a more adult instrument, serious investments must be done in mount, eyepieces and home-made baffles inside. Surely not worth the extra money.
Completely useless then? Not entirely. It could be used as a daytime 15X simple telescope. At night you will be able to see some craters on the Moon and see that some planets have a certain surface area. Even the brightest deepsky objects will be visible. But all of these are visible in binoculars too.
I think it would be wiser to save up until you can purchase a more serious instrument.
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+1 on all the advice above. Find a club if you have near you. Invest in some binoculars and an atlas and then take it from there...
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I do have a pair of decent binoculars, im pretty sure its 50X magnification, I will start with them. Have any future recommendations for decent telescopes under $70?
The forecast for today is mostly clear tonight, so I can tell how the binoculars went tonight or tomorrow.
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You came to the right place. The members of this forum are experienced and will give honest answers, tempered with concern for you. I agree with the others on here. A pair of binoculars in that price range will be more useful than telescopes in that range. There are few things more discouraging than a flimsy telescope with poor optics. Binoculars are also more versatile. You won't outgrow them. Most of us still have and regularly use our binoculars. I have a pair hanging by my back door and three pair in my observatory. They get a lot of use.

Binoculars offer a wide sweeping look at the night sky, but they do not offer the high magnification that you might expect when viewing the planets. You have to know where and when to look. An astronomy club, online forums (like this one) and some free programs (like Stellarium) can help fill in those gaps. They can help you get the most from your binoculars.

It won't take long before you start to get a feeling for what kind of telescope fits your needs and budget. There is no such thing as an all around best telescope. I like to think of them much like the lenses on expensive cameras. Telephoto, wide angle, macro, etc. lenses all have different purposes. Many photographers have a collection of lenses. They can be inexpensive or cost a small fortune. A new photographer is usually better off building a lens collection a little at a time as needed, unless money is no option.

As for future telescopes at a low price, you might have luck with doing it the way I did. I started with low cost used Dobsonian telescopes. That style gives you the most bang for the buck. They have a simple design and are easy to use. We are getting into September. When I started I would scan the online "for Sale" sources in my location. It seems like there are lots of parents who purchase telescopes for their kids for Christmas. The kids either don't get excited about astronomy or grow up and move away. The telescopes are just stuck in a closet someplace. As we near the Christmas season a number of these end up getting sold to make more room or free up some extra money for the holidays. I think I have purchased six or more telescopes in this fashion. All of them were just about as good as new and all of them were a lot cheaper than new price.
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For the time being I would stick with your binoculars in order to get comfortable with looking around the sky and learning the major stars and constellations. For your budget of under $70 you will not really find anything in terms of a telescope that would not be disappointing. The wider field of view of your binoculars will help you learn and feel comfortable with the night sky. They will allow you to get a much better sense of the sky's layout and also to see some of the brighter objects up there. In the beginning its about becoming familiar and comfortable with the patterns of the stars so you know how to move around more efficiently. While you are in the early stages of learning, you can continue to save money toward a scope that would be more productive for you. You don't have to break the bank, but it does take a certain amount of investment to get something that will perform decently. But initially the best investment you can use is patience and taking time to learn the general layout of the sky. This will help you make better more informed decisions about what you really wish to spend your hard earned money on.

I would recommend a basic sky atlas to help you during your learning of the sky. Something basic like the Sky & Telescope Pocket Sky Atlas is an excellent resource:

https://shopatsky.com/products/pocket-s ... nd-edition

If you are more inclined toward something electronic based, then I could recommend Stellarium. You can tailor it to your location, date and time to get a real time presentation of what the sky looks like. Best thing its free!

http://stellarium.org/

The main thing is not to rush in too quickly. The more you learn at the beginning, the better your spending choices will be. There is a long learning curve in this hobby. I've been doing it for decades and learn things new almost every day. So take your time, learn the sky and see where that leads you. Good luck!
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I understand that under 70 isnt good, but most I can do is $100. All Im looking for is a telescope that can see the moon, see Mercury and/or Venus, and maybe be able to see Jupiter and Saturn :text-thankyoublue: .
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UnityLover wrote: Mon Aug 29, 2022 2:05 pm im pretty sure its 50X magnification
Read the inscriptions on the housing.
For example if it reads 7X50......this means 7 times magnification and a front=lens of 50mm diameter.
10X50 means 10 times magnification and a frontlens of 50mm
12X50 means.....etc
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Mine says 8x22, will that be fine?
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And If astrobiscuit is a trustable source, they have reccomended this telescope by celestron:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002 ... ecdad&th=1
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No 8 x22 are small and not suitable for astronomy , 22mm is the objective lens which is small you need at least a 8x 42 , I use 7x50 a lot but for a good view 15x70 are good but then one needs a support
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UnityLover wrote: Mon Aug 29, 2022 3:02 pm And If astrobiscuit is a trustable source, they have reccomended this telescope by celestron:

(copy and paste this into your browser, i dont know how links work on this forum) shorturl.at/ERS15

Just copy the address line for the web page you are trying to link to, then paste it into the text field. Such as the link to this thread:

viewtopic.php?p=214569#p214569
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Link to the telescope I saw and seems decent, backed by astrobiscuit shorturl.at/ERS15
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Welcome to TSS! $70-100 will not get you usable scope. However, it will buy you decent 10x50 binoculars, which will show you many things.

https://www.harborfreight.com/10-x-50-w ... 94527.html

You could also get a spotting scope.

https://www.harborfreight.com/20-60-x-6 ... binoculars

Binoculars will be better on DSOs (galaxies, star clusters, nebulae) and the spotting scope on planets and Moon.
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@Bigzmey
Is astrobiscuit trustworthy? They have reccomended this telescope, and if they are reliable, it can see quite a lot. The amazon reviews also show good quality.
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UnityLover wrote: Mon Aug 29, 2022 4:37 pm @Bigzmey
Is astrobiscuit trustworthy? They have reccomended this telescope, and if they are reliable, it can see quite a lot. The amazon reviews also show good quality.
What is astrobiscuit? :)

I would not rely on amazon reviews. You are better off asking for advice on astro forums like our.
Scopes: Stellarvue: SV102ED; Celestron: 9.25" EdgeHD, 8" SCT, 150ST, Onyx 80ED; iOptron: Hankmeister 6" Mak; SW: 7" Mak; Meade: 80ST.
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Problem with ultra cheap telescope packages is that while the telescope objective lens could be of reasonably good quality, the rest of accessories (focuser, finder, diagonal and eyepieces) will be poor quality or unusable. It will be hard to find targets, and once you find them the views will be dark and soft.

I would buy this as a starter refractor telescope.

https://www.telescope.com/Telescopes/Re ... goryId=331
Scopes: Stellarvue: SV102ED; Celestron: 9.25" EdgeHD, 8" SCT, 150ST, Onyx 80ED; iOptron: Hankmeister 6" Mak; SW: 7" Mak; Meade: 80ST.
Mounts: SW: SkyTee2, AzGTi; iOptron: AZMP; ES: Twilight I; Bresser: EXOS2; UA: MicroStar.
Binos: APM: 100-90 APO; Canon: IS 15x50; Orion: Binoviewer, LG II 15x70, WV 10x50, Nikon: AE 16x50, 10x50, 8x40.
EPs: Pentax: XWs & XFs; TeleVue: Delites, Panoptic & Plossls; ES: 68, 62; Vixen: SLVs; Baader: BCOs, Aspherics, Mark IV.
Diagonals: Baader: BBHS mirror, Zeiss Spec T2 prism, Clicklock dielectric; TeleVue: Evebrite dielectric; AltairAstro: 2" prism.
Filters: Lumicon: DeepSky, UHC, OIII, H-beta; Baader: Moon & SkyGlow, Contrast Booster, UHC-S, 6-color set; Astronomik: UHC.

Observing: DSOs: 3106 (Completed: Messier, Herschel 1, 2, 3. In progress: H2,500: 2180, S110: 77). Doubles: 2382, Comets: 34, Asteroids: 255
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