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An evening with the family

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:33 am
by davesellars
I'd setup late afternoon with the 80ED and binoviewers to give them a go first time properly on the Sun with Baader film filter. Using a 45 degree prism diagonal that came with a Skywatcher scope I was able to obtain focus using a pair of essentially equal 25mm plossls that also came with a couple of different scopes.

White light solar success and the view of the Sun was certainly much easier with two eyes than one! My Wife joined me for a little while and we both viewed the various sun-spots that are scattered on the surface at the moment. She was quite impressed that you could see so much on the surface! The 25mm plossls are sufficient for solar WL with the binoviewer's barlow giving essentially 2X and I think that increasing magnification with the boiling surface probably won't be beneficial.

Apart from the Baader filter, everything was left out for viewing the Moon later. At just after 10pm, the Moon was rising magnificently looking large and beautiful with an orange/yellow hue to it. Through the binoviewers the view was quite something! As others had mentioned before it was much easier to relax into the view and just soak it in the view. Although there was some CA caused from the 45 degree erecting diagonal it wasn't too bad - certainly this would be improved with a non-erecting prism I believe.

My daughters (9, 7 and almost 5 years old) and Wife were all keen to come out and have a look especially as it still very warm. As the Moon rose a bit higher it became steadier. With the 25mm plossls the full disc was visible in the field of view but with great clarity and comfort with the brightness actually not too bad considering it was almost fully illuminated. My 9 and 7 years daughters were both gobsmacked by the detail and were relaying back all the details they could see (rilles, valleys, mountains and seas). My 4 year old was searching for the Man on the Moon... :roll: :Astronomer1: An hour flew by with all three taking turns.

While waiting for turns my Wife and daughters scanned the sky remarking at the many satellites that could be seen crossing. One shooting star (perseid) was seen, and I was a little surprised more wasn't as we head towards the maximum.

While waiting for Saturn just to clear a large bush, I turned the scope to the Double Cluster, this was not ideal with binoviewers imho with quite a lot of the fainter stuff being lost, but my daughters were both impressed with the massive amount of stars still visible..

It was very late and my youngest now hit the hay as she was starting to get cranky! :p

Back to Saturn and with the binoviewers I could certainly see a touch of CA in effect because of the brightness of the object. Still, the view was nice and clear in the binoviewers with a great view (although small) of the rings. My daughters really loved this! Definitely, needs 10mm eyepieces though to produce and effective 5mm eyepiece focal length which would good power for this type of object and Jupiter... So will be on the lookout to duplicate my 10mm BCO.

I changed over to mono vision and popped in a 4mm eyepiece... This was superb on Saturn. The Cassini division was easily visible and the seeing was quite steady for good moments of time. This was a little more difficult for my daughters to initially use one eye instead of two but once they got it, both gasped at the level of detail and size of the gas giant. my 9 year reported that she could see the Cassini division as well once I explained what to look for.

It was almost midnight and both my daughters retired for the night. I stayed out for a little longer viewing Saturn alone. It was beautifully clear night, the transparency seemed OK but not great - the full Moon sufficiently bright even if it was low down that the Milky Way could not be seen and so I called it a night at close to 1am.

So, the binoviewers were a success! I think if I can find a good price for a standard Celestron 90 degree prism as these don't have compression fitting which is not suitable for the binoviewer nose and also a second hand 10mm BCO, I'll be set...

Re: An evening with the family

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:50 pm
by Unitron48
Sounds like a very successful and fun night, Dave! Congrats on a great family event!

Might be time to get the kids their own scope and "fan the flame"!!

Dave

Re: An evening with the family

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 1:11 pm
by davesellars
Unitron48 wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:50 pm
Might be time to get the kids their own scope and "fan the flame"!!

Dave
Thanks Dave! Actually, I bought them one quite a while ago seizing the opportunity of a bargain on AstroBoot UK - A new 100p Heritage on a 130p dob base (which one of the feet had broken off which was very easily rectified. They were a little too young to use it properly before, but perhaps now the time to dust it off... It's actually a great little scope for wide-field observations.

Re: An evening with the family

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 5:46 pm
by Bigzmey
Great family outing Dave!

Glad that you have discovered delights of binoviewer observing. Moon viewing is just fantastic. I was not that impressed with DSOs or doubles views. Binoviewers excel at bright stuff.

BCOs will not disappoint you. I have two sets just for binoveiwing. 32mm, 18mm and 10mm pairs work great, but 6mm were hard to merge.

Re: An evening with the family

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 6:04 pm
by davesellars
Thanks Andrey!

Today I found for the cost of postage only a Celestron Omni 2x Barlow, I've be able to switch the lens from this instead of using the barlow that came with the BV - this should give 3x so will give a bit more magnification with the 25mm Plossls and should allow me enough focus travel to able to use the mirror diagonal... Need to get a pass for from the CFO of the house for the purchase of eyepieces... :p

Re: An evening with the family

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 6:29 pm
by davesellars
Bigzmey wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 5:46 pm BCOs will not disappoint you. I have two sets just for binoveiwing. 32mm, 18mm and 10mm pairs work great, but 6mm were hard to merge.
BTW, how you get on with the 10mm BCO for binoviewing for planetary and lunar? I believe from previous posts you use a similar set up with a lens from a 2x barlow attached to the BV so you get effectively 3x? That would be effectively 3.3mm focal length for the eyepiece...

Re: An evening with the family

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 7:43 pm
by Bigzmey
davesellars wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 6:29 pm
Bigzmey wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 5:46 pm BCOs will not disappoint you. I have two sets just for binoveiwing. 32mm, 18mm and 10mm pairs work great, but 6mm were hard to merge.
BTW, how you get on with the 10mm BCO for binoviewing for planetary and lunar? I believe from previous posts you use a similar set up with a lens from a 2x barlow attached to the BV so you get effectively 3x? That would be effectively 3.3mm focal length for the eyepiece...
I use both 2x barlow nosepiece (for 3x effective factor) and 1.9x OCA which came with binoviewer. As you know 102ED takes high power quite well. I routinely use 2.5mm to 3.5mm EPs for mono viewing, so 10mm BCO is in the same range with BV 3x setup.

Re: An evening with the family

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:07 pm
by Bigzmey
davesellars wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 6:04 pm Thanks Andrey!

Today I found for the cost of postage only a Celestron Omni 2x Barlow, I've be able to switch the lens from this instead of using the barlow that came with the BV - this should give 3x so will give a bit more magnification with the 25mm Plossls and should allow me enough focus travel to able to use the mirror diagonal... Need to get a pass for from the CFO of the house for the purchase of eyepieces... :p
3x option is nice to have. Is your mirror diagonal 1.25" or 2"?

Re: An evening with the family

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:23 pm
by davesellars
Bigzmey wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:07 pm
davesellars wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 6:04 pm Thanks Andrey!

Today I found for the cost of postage only a Celestron Omni 2x Barlow, I've be able to switch the lens from this instead of using the barlow that came with the BV - this should give 3x so will give a bit more magnification with the 25mm Plossls and should allow me enough focus travel to able to use the mirror diagonal... Need to get a pass for from the CFO of the house for the purchase of eyepieces... :p
3x option is nice to have. Is your mirror diagonal 1.25" or 2"?
I've got both 1.25" and 2" mirror diagonals.

Re: An evening with the family

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:56 pm
by Makuser
Hello Dave. An extremely enjoyable report from you with the 80ED and binoviewers. And the best part was that your wife and three daughters got to share in the great views. Thanks for the very fun read report Dave and I hope that you have another great opportunity like this again soon.

Re: An evening with the family

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:12 pm
by Bigzmey
davesellars wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:23 pm
Bigzmey wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:07 pm
davesellars wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 6:04 pm Thanks Andrey!

Today I found for the cost of postage only a Celestron Omni 2x Barlow, I've be able to switch the lens from this instead of using the barlow that came with the BV - this should give 3x so will give a bit more magnification with the 25mm Plossls and should allow me enough focus travel to able to use the mirror diagonal... Need to get a pass for from the CFO of the house for the purchase of eyepieces... :p
3x option is nice to have. Is your mirror diagonal 1.25" or 2"?
I've got both 1.25" and 2" mirror diagonals.
Good, one of them should work with 3x option.

Re: An evening with the family

Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 1:30 pm
by helicon
Nice Dave and excellent that you could combine solar, lunar, and DSO viewing in course of a 24 hour period. Congrats on the family outreach, as well. Definitely worthy of a VROD.

Re: An evening with the family

Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 2:41 pm
by davesellars
Many thanks once again, Michael!

Re: An evening with the family

Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 3:55 pm
by Unitron48
Congrats on your VROD recognition, Dave! Please remember to have the kids share in the glory :smile:

Dave

Re: An evening with the family

Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 4:41 pm
by davesellars
Sure will Dave! :)

Preparing for tonight's Perseid shower event... Not sure how successful it will be - but it's going to be nice and clear whatever!

Re: An evening with the family

Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:35 pm
by Unitron48
davesellars wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 4:41 pm Preparing for tonight's Perseid shower event... Not sure how successful it will be - but it's going to be nice and clear whatever!
I'll be out there also...at Morning Calm Observatory with my observing companions. Hoping for the best!!

Dave

Re: An evening with the family

Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:28 pm
by helicon
I've got a third storey balcony I will be using. A chair, a blanket, a glass of merlot, and a pair of binos. (Plus some OFF! as it is mosquito season here) I hope I will see some meteors.

Re: An evening with the family

Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:59 pm
by davesellars
Good luck Michael & Dave!

Just got back in from being out since 10:30 (now 1am) with the family. Made a bit of an occasion of it with a pizza... We got to see quite a few Perseids and luckily a few quite bright ones! Kids couldn't keep their eyes open once it got to 1am though, bless 'em...

Re: An evening with the family

Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2022 12:35 am
by scribbly
what a great night out!!

When I get the occasional guest visiting (the family is not so interested, other than the briefest looks of the moon, Jupiter, and Saturn), I usually add Omega Centauri, the Jewel box , and or the Tarantula neb (at least 2/3 always nice at any time of the year from my lattitude) to the "tour.

I agree, very worthy VROD!

Re: An evening with the family

Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2022 12:45 am
by Thefatkitty
That sounds like a great day Dave, especially with the binoviewer! The Sun, Moon, planets, family; good times and quite a nice read. Enjoy those moments, I know I have for sure :D

Thanks again and all the best,