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Don't you think Beginners should have their OWN rank / scale ?

I mean.... 1 to 10....I'm about at zero , ok 0.38

I don't use my phone to navigate the sky , just a compass.
I'm out their fubbling with knobs...
Two things on my list...Red light (Clip on my hat)
and more info about Dew Shields , it seems to be a problem in our high humidity.
Oh, and fumbling with that camera , Just not used to it in the dark.
Switched to visual...Hmmm Fogged up.
Do any of you WIPE your lense (90mm Celestron)
I just brought it in and waited before putting the Lense covers on.
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Anywho,
I barely know some basics , and jumping into deeper waters .
From what I've seen about the Set-up / System I'll be setting up , If I learn it.
THEN , I'll consider myself a Beginner.
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Meanwhile I'm still learning with the Manual EQ , I need to find Star Chart info to learn the "Lingo"
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Maybe it's more , Beginner Astronomy , Beginner Telescope and lenses , Beginner Tracking / Computer, and so on...
That's a lot of beginners.

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@planecrazzzy we all start off as beginners, but the experience comes with practice.

Maybe not a good idea to give yourself a label through numbers though, as that could have an adverse effect on your enjoyment ;)

Personally, I am not one for labels so just enjoy your hobby and don't lower-rate yourself :smile:
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Just a word on dew - in addition to commercially made dew heaters, there are plans on the Web for DIY projects. Photo lens dew heaters are probably cheaper than and essentially the same as ones marketed specifically for astro. You can find several on Amazon.

I use small chemical handwarmer packs held on my dewshield with a large rubber band. Pretty cheap, but some say they're environmentally unfriendly. FWIW.

Wiping lenses is generally frowned upon due to the risk of scratching the lens, but some people do it.
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I thought Dew shields where something like the "Cone of Shame" for dogs
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Do they need power ?
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Dew shields are just cylindrical shaped things - metal or plastic. I made one out of craft foam for my 90mm Mak. Dew heaters are powered.
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planecrazzzy wrote: Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:42 am Do any of you WIPE your lense (90mm Celestron)
I just brought it in and waited before putting the Lense covers on.
pakarinen wrote: Thu Aug 04, 2022 12:38 pm Wiping lenses is generally frowned upon due to the risk of scratching the lens, but some people do it.

I only clean my optics when it's absolutely necessary. I went down the rabbit hole with a field flattener when I started this journey, I ended up putting scratches on it, but the scratches luckily don't interfere with the field flattener. Dust motes and things like that don't affect the imaging, especially if you use flats in your processing. The reason for it is that the dust and scratches are so far out of focus they usually don't even show in the image since you are focusing on roughly infinity.

Hope this helps, and don't label yourself other than newbie, like @Butterfly Maiden said :), we're all newbies at one point.

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chris_g wrote: Thu Aug 04, 2022 2:58 pm
planecrazzzy wrote: Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:42 am Do any of you WIPE your lense (90mm Celestron)
I just brought it in and waited before putting the Lense covers on.
pakarinen wrote: Thu Aug 04, 2022 12:38 pm Wiping lenses is generally frowned upon due to the risk of scratching the lens, but some people do it.

I only clean my optics when it's absolutely necessary. I went down the rabbit hole with a field flattener when I started this journey, I ended up putting scratches on it, but the scratches luckily don't interfere with the field flattener. Dust motes and things like that don't affect the imaging, especially if you use flats in your processing. The reason for it is that the dust and scratches are so far out of focus they usually don't even show in the image since you are focusing on roughly infinity.

Hope this helps, and don't label yourself other than newbie, like @Butterfly Maiden said :), we're all newbies at one point.

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Thanks for explaining the reason behind that... It makes sense.
I remember someone saying that before , but you explained why.
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pakarinen wrote: Thu Aug 04, 2022 2:47 pm Dew shields are just cylindrical shaped things - metal or plastic. I made one out of craft foam for my 90mm Mak. Dew heaters are powered.
Are both needed ? I guess if the cone of shame doesn't do it alone... The heater would be needed...?
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planecrazzzy wrote: Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:42 pm
pakarinen wrote: Thu Aug 04, 2022 2:47 pm Dew shields are just cylindrical shaped things - metal or plastic. I made one out of craft foam for my 90mm Mak. Dew heaters are powered.
Are both needed ? I guess if the cone of shame doesn't do it alone... The heater would be needed...?
Depends on the type of weather you get. Here dew shields are sufficient for 90% of the nights. Added benefit is that they also block stray light which improves the contrast. So, I would use dew shields anyway and add heater if nessesary.

Dew shields are very easy to make from black craft foam.
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planecrazzzy wrote: Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:42 pm
pakarinen wrote: Thu Aug 04, 2022 2:47 pm Dew shields are just cylindrical shaped things - metal or plastic. I made one out of craft foam for my 90mm Mak. Dew heaters are powered.
Are both needed ? I guess if the cone of shame doesn't do it alone... The heater would be needed...?
The dew shield provides more than just protection from dew, it also prevents stray light from entering into the scope. You want both but only use the heater when you need to since it is a power draw, usually near the end of an imaging session early in the morning as the temp drops closer to the dew point.

Here's a good description of how and why it works. https://www.skyatnightmagazine.com/advi ... ew-shield/
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My dewshields are always on my telescopes. I don't leave home without them. When you are at home and can drag an extension cord out your telescope, I also use a blow dryer. Keep it a good 12 to 18 inches away from your optics but it is basically the dew killer.
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To prevent dew I always leave my dew-shield on. On those rare occasions that it isn't enough I have a 12V hair-dryer, which can operate 15 minutes on an accu in the handgrip. (used in campingplaces without current) Within half a minute all dew is gone. Be prepared once you start using it, fifteen minutes later you'll have to use it again. . Only the surface of the lens or corrector is warmed, the rest of it is still cold. Cold enough to re-dew within a quarter of an hour. So, you'll have enough current to last approximately 7 hours.
I keep eyepieces in my pockets to keep them warm. If necessary a short blow from the hairdryer is enough.
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You're beyond me as a beginner, because I'm still finding things by eye and star hopping with binoculars. I haven't even graduated to a telescope.

I am starting to find my way around the sky in my head, though, which is great. The only dew I've had to deal with is the sleepy dew on my eyes late at night.
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ewomack wrote: Tue Aug 23, 2022 11:08 pm You're beyond me as a beginner, because I'm still finding things by eye and star hopping with binoculars. I haven't even graduated to a telescope.

I am starting to find my way around the sky in my head, though, which is great. The only dew I've had to deal with is the sleepy dew on my eyes late at night.
One can be an experienced observer with binoculars, and finding targets by star hopping is an acquired skill. :)
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I noticed I was able to recognize a few consolations and name a few stars.
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I found Andromeda with Binoculars , well, the PATH to it...
I had the 90mm out , doing the Andromeda strain straight up.

That's when I thought the 10" dob would be perfect for this.
Things look different as you zoom in.
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So my path to Andromida goes like this .
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I come off Cassiopia , ( The big point with Caph) to a bright star...
Then angle back...I come to what I call a gateway of two stars... I go through that and there is Andromeda ...
and a smaller Nebula ?
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This was a great night...
I tried to find it again to mix lenses...but I need a better night.
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Gotta Fly...
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PS This was a few nights ago , just thought I'd share with other beginners , a small victory.
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Another small victory was finding it AGAIN...
It was a clear night... but I had to get the binoculars to relocate Andromeda again.
After coming off a star pointed out by Cassiopia, I use another star in the direction of Andromeda.
but I was thinking Andromeda was in between them.
But I was supposed to go past the other star I was using... Then the gateway stars...Then Andromeda.
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This time I stayed awhile and used different Lense combos.
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Oh , and I used the tree to locate my first locating star...
If I put the telescope close enough to the tree . it helps finding the right star.
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Gotta Fly...
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JayTee wrote: Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:37 pm My dewshields are always on my telescopes. I don't leave home without them. When you are at home and can drag an extension cord out your telescope, I also use a blow dryer. Keep it a good 12 to 18 inches away from your optics but it is basically the dew killer.
That’s an excellent suggestion, that’s exactly what I do.
I have a convenience of rolling my scope out of my garage into my driveway.
I just run the extension cord with a hairdryer and every once in a while like you said at least a foot away from it,I just dry them off in a couple of seconds.
Gee if I had known there was so much to see I would have started decades ago ! :Astronomer1:

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Yes a go to mount makes it much easier for most of us but knowledge is far more important when I got my first GO TO mount I thought that is fantastic but soon learned that its not that simple , I even had a plate solving mount , a skyprodigy one but that did not help much as you can choose what to look at but does mean you will see it , with time one leans what to look at at different times and for visual thats all I need
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planecrazzzy wrote: Sun Aug 28, 2022 3:21 pm .
Another small victory was finding it AGAIN...
It was a clear night... but I had to get the binoculars to relocate Andromeda again.
After coming off a star pointed out by Cassiopia, I use another star in the direction of Andromeda.
but I was thinking Andromeda was in between them.
But I was supposed to go past the other star I was using... Then the gateway stars...Then Andromeda.
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This time I stayed awhile and used different Lense combos.
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Oh , and I used the tree to locate my first locating star...
If I put the telescope close enough to the tree . it helps finding the right star.
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Gotta Fly...
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Well done! Every located target makes finding the next a bit easier.
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