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Generally, I don't like heavy EPs. However, since I have installed showcase in my home office to store and display my scopes I wanted to add a heaviest and largest EP I can get my hands on as a conversation piece. You know, that's not a knife, this is a knife! :D

I did not want to spend crazy money on something which is mostly for display, but on the other hand I wanted to get a good quality EP which would perform well in my scopes.

I had good experience with now out of production Meade 5000 UWA (82 deg) and SWA (68 deg) lines. In my scopes they performed as well as ES 82s and 68s. So, I decided to pick either 30mm UWA or 40mm SWA. I was contemplating which looks cooler and will potentially get more use, and then both came for sale from the same member. I felt that the Universe giving me a sign to have both! :D

Behold! In one corner 40mm SWA weighing 1.3 kg (2.8 lb) in the other - 30mm UWA weighing 1.4 kg (3.0 lb), and in the middle your typical 32mm Plossl (0.12 kg/0.26 lb). Now that I have them I want to take them for a spin. Need a separate EP case just for the two. :lol:
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Now those are proper hand bombs
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Here ya go: https://explorescientificusa.com/products/100-30mm
- it only weighs 2.35kg...
Telescopes: 12" f5 dob, Celestron CPC800, 150mmf5 Celestron achro, Tak TSA102, TV76, ETX125...
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Eyepieces: way too many (is that possible?), but I do like my TV 32mm plossl, 13mm Nagler T6, 27mm Panoptic and 3-6mm Nagler zoom, plus Fujiyama 18mm and 25mm orthos and Tak 7.5mm LE
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DeanD wrote: Tue May 24, 2022 8:16 am Here ya go: https://explorescientificusa.com/products/100-30mm
- it only weighs 2.35kg...
Yes, that EP is elephantine, but it does fall under the category of "crazy money."
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JayTee wrote: Tue May 24, 2022 9:07 am
DeanD wrote: Tue May 24, 2022 8:16 am Here ya go: https://explorescientificusa.com/products/100-30mm
- it only weighs 2.35kg...
Yes, that EP is elephantine, but it does fall under the category of "crazy money."
Yeah, my 32mm plossl will do me! :)

(PS: I do have an ES 100°20mm eyepiece, which weighs only (!) 968 gms, but I rarely use it. I decided that I prefer the mid-range wide-angle eyepieces, like the Panoptics. Plus there is always a balance issue with the big fella, and it does look a bit excessive on my TV76: I am not quite sure which end to look through when it is in the focuser! ;) I will probably off-load it one day, like I did with a 13mm Ethos (which btw only weighs 590 gms). I find I prefer the 13mm Nagler T6 (181 gms!). )
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Telescopes: 12" f5 dob, Celestron CPC800, 150mmf5 Celestron achro, Tak TSA102, TV76, ETX125...
Binos: Steiner Wildlife XP 10x26, Swarovski 8x30 Habicht, Zeiss SFL 8x40, Vanguard Endeavour 10.5x45, Fuji FMTR-SX 10x50, Tak 22x60, Orion Resolux 15x70
Eyepieces: way too many (is that possible?), but I do like my TV 32mm plossl, 13mm Nagler T6, 27mm Panoptic and 3-6mm Nagler zoom, plus Fujiyama 18mm and 25mm orthos and Tak 7.5mm LE
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Yowza! Looks like they have a thyroid disorder. Or way too many tacos. :grin:
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Hi Andrey. That is a very nice set of eyepieces. Here is my "bomb" and weighs in at 1lb 5oz. It is a University Optics 2" 20mm 80° eyepiece shown next to a 1.25" 20mm Plossl. It is so heavy that I have a small cross made of tape on the side of my 12" dob to mark where the large magnet inside of a cloth bag goes to balance the telescope so it doesn't nose dive on me. :D
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You guys are thinking to small with those
https://teleskop-austria.com/Masuyama80 ... -FV=56-deg
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Lady Fraktor wrote: Tue May 24, 2022 8:03 pm You guys are thinking to small with those
https://teleskop-austria.com/Masuyama80 ... -FV=56-deg
Only 3 kg!!!! ;)
Scopes: Refs: Orion ST80, SV 80EDA f7, TS 102ED f11 Newts: AWB 130mm, f5, Z12 f5; Cats: VMC110L, Intes MK66,VMC200L f9.75 EPs: KK Fujiyama Orthoscopics, 2x Vixen NPLs (40-6mm) and BCOs, Baader Mark IV zooms, TV Panoptics, Delos, Plossl 32-8mm. Mixed brand Masuyama/Astroplans Binoculars: Nikon Aculon 10x50, Celestron 15x70, Baader Maxbright. Mounts: Star Seeker IV, Vixen Porta II, Celestron CG5
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notFritzArgelander wrote: Tue May 24, 2022 8:32 pm
Lady Fraktor wrote: Tue May 24, 2022 8:03 pm You guys are thinking to small with those
https://teleskop-austria.com/Masuyama80 ... -FV=56-deg
Only 3 kg!!!! ;)
Shipping weight is 3kg. The EP itself is "only" 1.7kg. Still, I agree it would look impressive in my display cabinet. :D

The Telescope Austria team seems to lack general understanding on how EPs work though. Their sale pitch says

"With a Celestron 11, for example, this eyepiece achieves a pleasantly low magnification of 35x with a true field of view of over 1.5°"

Celestron C11 is F10 scope and 80mm EP will produce 8mm exit pupil. Hardly a good match for that scope.

However, in any large F15 Maks (if they could be adapted for 3" diagonal) it would produce a perfectly usable 5.3mm exit pupil.
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EPs: Pentax: XWs & XFs; TeleVue: Delites, Panoptic & Plossls; ES: 68, 62; Vixen: SLVs; Baader: BCOs, Aspherics, Mark IV.
Diagonals: Baader: BBHS mirror, Zeiss Spec T2 prism, Clicklock dielectric; TeleVue: Evebrite dielectric; AltairAstro: 2" prism.
Filters: Lumicon: DeepSky, UHC, OIII, H-beta; Baader: Moon & SkyGlow, Contrast Booster, UHC-S, 6-color set; Astronomik: UHC.
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notFritzArgelander wrote: Tue May 24, 2022 8:32 pm
Lady Fraktor wrote: Tue May 24, 2022 8:03 pm You guys are thinking to small with those
https://teleskop-austria.com/Masuyama80 ... -FV=56-deg
Only 3 kg!!!! ;)
And it comes with its own aluminium carry case!
https://agenaastro.com/masuyama-3-inch- ... -80mm.html
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See Far Sticks: Elita 103/1575, AOM FLT 105/1000, Bresser 127/1200 BV, Nočný stopár 152/1200, Vyrobené doma 70/700, Stellarvue NHNG DX 80/552, TAL RS 100/1000, Vixen SD115s/885
EQ: TAL MT-1, Vixen SXP, SXP2, AXJ, AXD
Az/Alt: AYO Digi II, Stellarvue M2C, Argo Navis encoders on both
Tripods: Berlebach Planet (2), Uni 28 Astro, Report 372, TAL factory maple, Vixen ASG-CB90, Vixen AXD-TR102
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The first thing I thought upon seeing those was hand grenades. Maybe the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch.
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I have posted the image of the brass 4.3" 100 mm dwarfing a 2" eyepiece before.
Siebert does make some nice eyepieces.
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See Far Sticks: Elita 103/1575, AOM FLT 105/1000, Bresser 127/1200 BV, Nočný stopár 152/1200, Vyrobené doma 70/700, Stellarvue NHNG DX 80/552, TAL RS 100/1000, Vixen SD115s/885
EQ: TAL MT-1, Vixen SXP, SXP2, AXJ, AXD
Az/Alt: AYO Digi II, Stellarvue M2C, Argo Navis encoders on both
Tripods: Berlebach Planet (2), Uni 28 Astro, Report 372, TAL factory maple, Vixen ASG-CB90, Vixen AXD-TR102
Diagonals: Astro-Physics, Baader Amici, Baader Herschel, iStar Blue, Stellarvue DX, Tak prism, TAL, Vixen
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Quite sone glass. My heaviest is Radian, pathetic 300g.
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turboscrew wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 7:08 pm Quite sone glass. My heaviest is Radian, pathetic 300g.
Some of my motocycle racing helmets are lighter than these huge eyepieces.
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See Far Sticks: Elita 103/1575, AOM FLT 105/1000, Bresser 127/1200 BV, Nočný stopár 152/1200, Vyrobené doma 70/700, Stellarvue NHNG DX 80/552, TAL RS 100/1000, Vixen SD115s/885
EQ: TAL MT-1, Vixen SXP, SXP2, AXJ, AXD
Az/Alt: AYO Digi II, Stellarvue M2C, Argo Navis encoders on both
Tripods: Berlebach Planet (2), Uni 28 Astro, Report 372, TAL factory maple, Vixen ASG-CB90, Vixen AXD-TR102
Diagonals: Astro-Physics, Baader Amici, Baader Herschel, iStar Blue, Stellarvue DX, Tak prism, TAL, Vixen
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The case has arrived today. Perfect fit! Ready to take the big boyz for a spin. :D
Meade UWA SWA Nanuk A.jpg
Nanuk B.jpg
Scopes: Stellarvue: SV102ED; Celestron: 9.25" EdgeHD, 8" SCT, 150ST, Onyx 80ED; iOptron: Hankmeister 6" Mak; SW: 7" Mak; Meade: 80ST.
Mounts: SW: SkyTee2, AzGTi; iOptron: AZMP; ES: Twilight I; Bresser: EXOS2; UA: MicroStar.
Binos: APM: 100-90 APO; Canon: IS 15x50; Orion: Binoviewer, LG II 15x70, WV 10x50, Nikon: AE 16x50, 10x50, 8x40.
EPs: Pentax: XWs & XFs; TeleVue: Delites, Panoptic & Plossls; ES: 68, 62; Vixen: SLVs; Baader: BCOs, Aspherics, Mark IV.
Diagonals: Baader: BBHS mirror, Zeiss Spec T2 prism, Clicklock dielectric; TeleVue: Evebrite dielectric; AltairAstro: 2" prism.
Filters: Lumicon: DeepSky, UHC, OIII, H-beta; Baader: Moon & SkyGlow, Contrast Booster, UHC-S, 6-color set; Astronomik: UHC.
Solar: HA: Lunt 50mm single stack, W/L: Meade Herschel wedge.

Observing: DSOs: 3106 (Completed: Messier, Herschel 1, 2, 3. In progress: H2,500: 2180, S110: 77). Doubles: 2437, Comets: 34, Asteroids: 257
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I once got a 24 mm eyepiece at the RTMC that looked like that, I think it was a Lumicon variable height eye cup. Something like https://www.bing.com/images/search?view ... ajaxserp=0. While the quality seemed good, my nose hit the rim every time. I had to tilt my head to keep it from happening. It got so annoying that eventually I took the entire outside enclosure off it. Now it looks like a normal eyepiece just with a sharp rim, but it works much better. I can't tell if these eyepieces would have similar problems, I hope they work for you.
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