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Windows 11 - experiment?
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:22 pm
by Altocumulus
Whilst making changes to my mount/cabling, I took an opportunity to look at what I had on my mount PC (beelink mini running windows).
I decided to take the plunge and upgrade the OS to Windows 11, from W10 Pro.
So far the following appear to work, though a couple are reluctant to close down.
Sharpcap
Lunt Solar Controller
Lakeside Focuser
Pegasus Ultimate Box
cDc starts to open, then freezes trying to start skychart.exe.
That's as far as I've got so far - the upgrade took a few cycles of download/install before it finally completed. It looks different to 10 - cleaner perhaps, though this particular PC has a limited astro use.
Not used in the wild, as yet, it'll be a while before I get myself sorted ( one part still to arrive )
Re: Windows 11 - experiment?
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:27 pm
by JayTee
I got a new Dell Inspirion laptop for Christmas with Windows 11 on it. So far I've uploaded Stellarium, CdC, and SkyTech X. All of these planetarium programs seem to operate just fine on my laptop. After inspecting the laptop I realized it only has one USB port on it this means it's not going to be used for telescope control. It will be used for image processing because it has a lot of computing power and memory.
Re: Windows 11 - experiment?
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:38 pm
by Bigzmey
JayTee wrote: ↑Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:27 pm
After inspecting the laptop I realized it only has one USB port
There seems to be less and less USB ports on new computers. They likely do it to make us buy docking station, etc. But then half of USB accessories glitch if you don't plug them directly. Progress....
Re: Windows 11 - experiment?
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:48 pm
by SkyHiker
I am lucky, my computer was deemed too inferior to qualify for an upgrade to Windows 11 by M$. I will just sit on the sidelines and see what happens.
Re: Windows 11 - experiment?
Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 1:47 am
by starfield
I upgraded the Bios on my BeeLink so I could manage a Windows 11 upgrade. I've been holding off until I'm sure it works with SGP. Good to hear it works with Sharpcap and the Pegasus Power Box.
Re: Windows 11 - experiment?
Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:01 pm
by turboscrew
My new(ish) Windows-laptop keeps on pushing for upgrading to Windows 11. I haven't dared yet. First I'd like, at least, to see how to stop Windows 11 from spying me. I was about to lose my marbles when I installed Windows 10. "No, I DONT want to store my banking credentials on your cloud server", and "No, you DON'T need my street address or phone number".
The first thing I did after I got it installed, I got rid of Cortana.
Re: Windows 11 - experiment?
Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 3:01 pm
by Star Dad
<chuckle>. I'm still running windows 7. Everything works - 98% of the time, and when it doesn't I reboot. Why can't developers leave things alone that actually work? I am scared to death to think about replacing my AP laptop/OS. I know I will have to eventually, but I'm holding out as long as I can.
Re: Windows 11 - experiment?
Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 3:56 pm
by Altocumulus
There are three things in life that we can't get away from, taxes, death and having to do Windows updates (unless you're Apple-minded or Linux'ed - mind, someone else said they were still using DOS!)
Re: Windows 11 - experiment?
Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:07 pm
by jrkirkham
I' e been holding off updating. Switching to Windows 10 was a nightmare for me.
Re: Windows 11 - experiment?
Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 7:47 pm
by turboscrew
Star Dad wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 3:01 pm
<chuckle>. I'm still running windows 7. Everything works - 98% of the time, and when it doesn't I reboot. Why can't developers leave things alone that actually work? I am scared to death to think about replacing my AP laptop/OS. I know I will have to eventually, but I'm holding out as long as I can.
Well, I'm a developer, that concentrates (if given a chance) in fixing things that don't work properly.
During my career I've turned a couple of "problem children" around.
Re: Windows 11 - experiment?
Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 8:26 pm
by XCalRocketMan
I hear you all, and I can sympathize. However, I've updated all my PCs and NUCs on the telescope since windows XP and have always gotten everything to work. May take some time to get all the settings either set or unset, and the drivers installed, but I've not had any of the issues with Windows that I hear others complaining about. Could be I"m just lucky
I'm known as the 'early adopter' at work since I usually load up the latest OS as soon as I possible can. however, this time around it's no go. None of my PCs (with the exception of the telescope BeeLink NUC) can accept Windows 11. And so I'm not upgrading any of them, but I'm also not worried about buying a new PC and having things work.
Re: Windows 11 - experiment?
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 7:08 pm
by Gordon
I went to Win11 on my desktop. Everything else is still win10.
There's not a lot of difference between 10 - 11. Just a few tweaks that look different. All of my image processing stuff works fine on 11. My NUC on my scope is still 10 and will stay so.
Re: Windows 11 - experiment?
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:18 pm
by Star Dad
turboscrew wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 7:47 pm
Well, I'm a developer, that concentrates (if given a chance) in fixing things that don't work properly.
During my career I've turned a couple of "problem children" around.
Just to be clear - it's not fixing problems I object to - it's changing interfaces. For example it took me weeks to get used to the change in Firefox where the Home button was on one side of the screen and they moved it to another spot. Why? It made no sense for them to do that. It didn't improve or fix anything.
Microsoft is infamous for completely rewriting their code. They seem to love to break things. Fix what you've done - tighten security. Sure, introduce new features, but don't go changing things willy-nilly. I'm a (former) professional developer - I still dabble - right now I'm writing Amiga software. So I understand fixing things. But I've never felt the compulsion to completely re-do interfaces... it's called design it with Human Factors from the beginning. It will take you a long ways in interface stability.
Stay warm everyone in the North and bask in the sun for those of you enjoying summer down under!
Re: Windows 11 - experiment?
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:34 pm
by turboscrew
Star Dad wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:18 pm
turboscrew wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 7:47 pm
Well, I'm a developer, that concentrates (if given a chance) in fixing things that don't work properly.
During my career I've turned a couple of "problem children" around.
Just to be clear - it's not fixing problems I object to - it's changing interfaces. For example it took me weeks to get used to the change in Firefox where the Home button was on one side of the screen and they moved it to another spot. Why? It made no sense for them to do that. It didn't improve or fix anything.
Microsoft is infamous for completely rewriting their code. They seem to love to break things. Fix what you've done - tighten security. Sure, introduce new features, but don't go changing things willy-nilly. I'm a (former) professional developer - I still dabble - right now I'm writing Amiga software. So I understand fixing things. But I've never felt the compulsion to completely re-do interfaces... it's called design it with Human Factors from the beginning. It will take you a long ways in interface stability.
Too bad that Linux (and FreeBSD) is also going downhill these days. Too "agile" to be stable.
Stay warm everyone in the North and bask in the sun for those of you enjoying summer down under!
I didn't mean bug fixes either. Just changing things that have been crappy. And talk about changing internal interfaces - like the way driver interface works - without a VERY good reason. And the worst thing to me is "simplifying" things by hiding complex things, so most of the time to change some parameter goes to finding out how where the setting can be found. To me, interfaces are "contracts". You change them if it's absolutely necessary. Adding a new "menu tab" is better.
And with internal interfaces, you "reorganize" things in the module, if at all feasible.
Also, If I make a change in the code, the target is to make it look like it was the original design, even if it requires starting the changes a bit further from the trouble point.