DSLR Vs Dedicated Astronomy Camera - What's your opinion?
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It's time to stop using USPS folks, delays and lost shipments are starting to become the norm with them. Agena says could be up to 10 days, so next Monday will be 10 days. I have another shipment coming from them via USPS but I am thinking it will be the last time I use them. You get what you pay for.
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Thought I would bring this one back up again. I've formulated my opinion.
With the loss of the T2i, I'm looking at least an APS-C camera. Something like the QHY268, I like it better than the ZWO ASI2600, it has 8 times the buffer size, or perhaps the Altair Hypercam 26M, it's got twice the memory of the ASI. I'd really rather have a full frame since dedicated astro cameras also support ROI so I could limit the image size to the image circle the
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Your final bit of research should be on astrobin. Go there and input each camera as a search criteria and compare real world images one against the other, against the other. Let us know what you find out. Also your budget will determine which camera you're going to get.
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The ASI2600 is great but a largerchris_g wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 4:33 pmThought I would bring this one back up again. I've formulated my opinion.DSLr stinks during this time of the year for me. My temp run at 90+ F on the sensor on a clear night and my sky's transparency is almost always below average, humidity and high temps. Tie that with almost nothing in the western hemisphere for my skyline and my vote is dedicated cooled monochrome. I've gotten everything I need over the last few months, wheel and filters, except for the camera.
With the loss of the T2i, I'm looking at least an APS-C camera. Something like the QHY268, I like it better than the ZWO ASI2600, it has 8 times the buffer size, or perhaps the Altair Hypercam 26M, it's got twice the memory of the ASI. I'd really rather have a full frame since dedicated astro cameras also support ROI so I could limit the image size to the image circle theOTA support, but the cost!
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How did you lose your T2i, or did you mean to say you can't use it in the summer?
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I looked at the 1600 and other 4/3 sensors, definitely a cost saver on the budget, not that I have a budget yet, definitely future time! If I were to go with a 4/3 sensor, it would probably be the ASI294 or some derivative of it, the only drawback that I saw was that the 294 is a 14bit.SkyHiker wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 9:44 pm The ASI2600 is great but a larger FOV also puts higher demands on your optics. I would also look for an ASI1600, there are people who want to switch to a 2600 and sell their 1600. The 2600 does have good thermal properties though, not sure if the 1600 has the same.
How did you lose your T2i, or did you mean to say you can't use it in the summer?
The T2i's USB port quit working, unrecognized device on the USB bus is the error. The 6D works fine. I suspect I know when it quit, I'm just not happy that I probably munched it. But I truly should rephrase, it's not a total loss, as long as the SNAP port still works. I can use it with either mount on the SNAP port but having to manually focus like that will be difficult at best. Those temps were from my last session in the beginning of May with the 6D, the temp made it as high as 99 on a 15 second sub. The data also had a lot of noise. I haven't had the opportunity to go out since due to work and the sky god not cooperating. I hope to make it out next weekend, new moon cycle, want to get some more data on the North America Nebula before it escapes me to the west.
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I decided on the IMX294 color sensor to replace my T2i that I lost last summer a couple of weeks back, it's almost the same size as the APS-C sensor. I discovered SVBony's version on Amazon a couple of days ago @ $200 less than the ZWO, the only difference I can see is the SVBony version does not have a USB 2.0 hub, I don't care. Amazon is also giving a $60 coupon off making it $260 less than the ZWO. Lucky enough, Astrobin has some images taken with it, not a lot yet but enough to see how the camera performs. They look good. I understand that the IMX294 sensor can be finicky when shooting flats so that will take some time to figure out but at this price point, I can't resist. Just placed the order for it. It should be here Saturday.
New thread coming, hopefully soon, with its first light.
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Yes, it has the exact same specs as the ASI294MC Pro Cooled other than no USB 2.0 hub.
https://www.svbony.com/sv405cc-cooled-c ... 98F-F9127A
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Really WOW!, SBony has the IMX585, non cooled version for $380, the sv705c. Watch out ZWO, here comes SVBony!!! Found on Amazon for $380 with a $20 off. Ok, I got my camera for
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First, I will state this, I am in no way affiliated with the company nor am I receiving any compensation for this review. It is simply a complete review of my purchase including the time I was required to work with support when the camera failed almost two months after purchase and a quick assessment of the camera while it was working.
I opted to purchase the SVBony 405CC cooled camera. It's based on the IMX294 sensor, a ZWO ASI294 clone, minus the onboard hub. I chose the sensor first and the researched the cameras next. I found the SVBony version late December and ordered it in January. First, it worked fine for about six weeks before failing on downloads from sensor. Ok, I've been buying electronics now for over 40 years, sometimes you get a lemon. I made contact with
The SV405CC.
Quick snapshot. There's no real documentation, the latest drivers, both
Would I recommend the camera, yes. Would I recommend the company, yes.
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