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See Far Sticks: Antares Elita 103/1575, AOM FLT 105/1000, Bresser BV 127/1200, Nočný stopár 152/1200, Vyrobené doma 70/700, Stellarvue NHNG DX 80/552, TAL RS100/1000, Vixen SD115s/885
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Lady Fraktor wrote: Thu Jan 09, 2020 6:28 am This looks interesting
https://www.bresser.de/en/Astronomy/Tel ... embly.html
It is interesting, but I do prefer the faster Rutten Maksutov design with an independently curved secondary. Asl long as my Intes MK66 works fine, I'm not temped. For a refractor lover looking for more aperture, if I didn't have the MK66, I'd give it a whirl! The focuser is likely less quirky than on the Intes FWIW.

I long for the post Putin era when Intes Micro can get back into producing consumer optics. :sigh:
Scopes: Refs: Orion ST80, SV 80EDA f7, TS 102ED f11 Newts: AWB 130mm, f5, Z12 f5; Cats: VMC110L, Intes MK66,VMC200L f9.75 EPs: KK Fujiyama Orthoscopics, 2x Vixen NPLs (40-6mm) and BCOs, Baader Mark IV zooms, TV Panoptics, Delos, Plossl 32-8mm. Mixed brand Masuyama/Astroplans Binoculars: Nikon Aculon 10x50, Celestron 15x70, Baader Maxbright. Mounts: Star Seeker IV, Vixen Porta II, Celestron CG5
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That would be very nice though I have seen a couple Intes Micro for sale, the prices are still high though.
I have not looked around for a TAL lately...

Or I could rent a lorry and go visit in the middle of the night:
https://www.professional-telescopes.com ... assegrains
See Far Sticks: Antares Elita 103/1575, AOM FLT 105/1000, Bresser BV 127/1200, Nočný stopár 152/1200, Vyrobené doma 70/700, Stellarvue NHNG DX 80/552, TAL RS100/1000, Vixen SD115s/885
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Tripods: Berlebach Planet (2), Uni 28 Astro, Report 372, TAL factory maple, Vixen ASG-CB90, Vixen AXD-TR102
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Lady Fraktor wrote: Thu Jan 09, 2020 6:47 am That would be very nice though I have seen a couple Intes Micro for sale, the prices are still high though.
I have not looked around for a TAL lately...

Or I could rent a lorry and go visit in the middle of the night:
https://www.professional-telescopes.com ... assegrains
:lol: But there's always the Vixen VMC line too. They are the same design as Tal but perhaps with better execution and better response to customer service: https://www.vixenoptics.com/Vixen-VMC20 ... /58291.htm

I think the VMCs would be better for visual than the VC series. I could be wrong...
Scopes: Refs: Orion ST80, SV 80EDA f7, TS 102ED f11 Newts: AWB 130mm, f5, Z12 f5; Cats: VMC110L, Intes MK66,VMC200L f9.75 EPs: KK Fujiyama Orthoscopics, 2x Vixen NPLs (40-6mm) and BCOs, Baader Mark IV zooms, TV Panoptics, Delos, Plossl 32-8mm. Mixed brand Masuyama/Astroplans Binoculars: Nikon Aculon 10x50, Celestron 15x70, Baader Maxbright. Mounts: Star Seeker IV, Vixen Porta II, Celestron CG5
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The VMC always seem to be out of stock, I know they quit making the 330 and 260 a while ago, not sure about the 200 though.
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Lady Fraktor wrote: Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:05 am The VMC always seem to be out of stock, I know they quit making the 330 and 260 a while ago, not sure about the 200 though.
I think [mention]Voyageur[/mention] rather likes hers? I know I like the 110. It's not thr MK66 but... Not much is.

Are you sure about the 260? I've been eyeing it or a 9.25 Edge.
Scopes: Refs: Orion ST80, SV 80EDA f7, TS 102ED f11 Newts: AWB 130mm, f5, Z12 f5; Cats: VMC110L, Intes MK66,VMC200L f9.75 EPs: KK Fujiyama Orthoscopics, 2x Vixen NPLs (40-6mm) and BCOs, Baader Mark IV zooms, TV Panoptics, Delos, Plossl 32-8mm. Mixed brand Masuyama/Astroplans Binoculars: Nikon Aculon 10x50, Celestron 15x70, Baader Maxbright. Mounts: Star Seeker IV, Vixen Porta II, Celestron CG5
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Anybody who wants to charge 739 Euros for a 152mm scope and only provides a 6X30 finder, it makes me wonder what other sub-par stuff I should worry about. Also, the focuser description was rather nebulous. I say pass, there are better deals out there.

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The focuser is the standard R&P Bresser and ES both have used for quite some time, a couple of minor tweaks and it is a robust focuser.
Accessories such as the finder are not and issue to me as it would be changed out anyways.
See Far Sticks: Antares Elita 103/1575, AOM FLT 105/1000, Bresser BV 127/1200, Nočný stopár 152/1200, Vyrobené doma 70/700, Stellarvue NHNG DX 80/552, TAL RS100/1000, Vixen SD115s/885
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notFritzArgelander wrote: Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:55 am
Lady Fraktor wrote: Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:05 am The VMC always seem to be out of stock, I know they quit making the 330 and 260 a while ago, not sure about the 200 though.
I think @Voyageur rather likes hers? I know I like the 110. It's not thr MK66 but... Not much is.

Are you sure about the 260? I've been eyeing it or a 9.25 Edge.
It appears you are correct as the only ones gone are the 330mm and 110mm, though I am sure I recieved a notice about the 260mm being discontinued last year(?)
I will have to go through my old messages when I have time. :)
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This thing looks like a planet killer. With my newfound interest in planetary observing I might consider it. Yeah, it's got a small finder and 1.25" focuser but I suppose that these could be swapped out as [mention]Lady Fraktor[/mention] said.
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helicon wrote: Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:02 pm This thing looks like a planet killer. With my newfound interest in planetary observing I might consider it. Yeah, it's got a small finder and 1.25" focuser but I suppose that these could be swapped out as @Lady Fraktor said.
The focuser is actually 65mm (2.7"?) with 58mm and 31.7mm adapters.
See Far Sticks: Antares Elita 103/1575, AOM FLT 105/1000, Bresser BV 127/1200, Nočný stopár 152/1200, Vyrobené doma 70/700, Stellarvue NHNG DX 80/552, TAL RS100/1000, Vixen SD115s/885
EQ: TAL MT-1, Vixen SXP, AXJ, AXD
Az/Alt: AYO Digi II/ Argo Navis, Stellarvue M2C/ Argo Navis
Tripods: Berlebach Planet (2), Uni 28 Astro, Report 372, TAL factory maple, Vixen ASG-CB90, Vixen AXD-TR102
Diagonals: Astro-Physics, Baader Amici, Baader Herschel, iStar Blue, Stellarvue DX, Takahashi prism, TAL, Vixen flip mirror
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Wow.
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I thought you are not in to catadioptrics Gabby. ;)
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I have no issues with Maksutov telescopes, Rutten and Klevtsov are my preferred styles though.
There are even some Mak-Cass and Mak-Newt that I would consider owning.
I just have a general dislike for the optics of standard SCT telescopes.
See Far Sticks: Antares Elita 103/1575, AOM FLT 105/1000, Bresser BV 127/1200, Nočný stopár 152/1200, Vyrobené doma 70/700, Stellarvue NHNG DX 80/552, TAL RS100/1000, Vixen SD115s/885
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Lady Fraktor wrote: Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:29 pm I have no issues with Maksutov telescopes, Rutten and Klevtsov are my preferred styles though.
There are even some Mak-Cass and Mak-Newt that I would consider owning.
I just have a general dislike for the optics of standard SCT telescopes.
Funny how things work. From the limited sampling I had I prefer standard SCTs over standard Maks. :D
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Wait a second? Gabby is looking at a Mak Cas? What on earth is going on around here!
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Bigzmey wrote: Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:10 pm
Lady Fraktor wrote: Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:29 pm I have no issues with Maksutov telescopes, Rutten and Klevtsov are my preferred styles though.
There are even some Mak-Cass and Mak-Newt that I would consider owning.
I just have a general dislike for the optics of standard SCT telescopes.
Funny how things work. From the limited sampling I had I prefer standard SCTs over standard Maks. :D
Bad sample?
I MUCH prefer aplanatic SCTs and Rutten Maks and Klevzov Maks for DSOs and planets. Even Gregory Maks like this Bresser model outperform standard SCTs on lunar/planetary.
Scopes: Refs: Orion ST80, SV 80EDA f7, TS 102ED f11 Newts: AWB 130mm, f5, Z12 f5; Cats: VMC110L, Intes MK66,VMC200L f9.75 EPs: KK Fujiyama Orthoscopics, 2x Vixen NPLs (40-6mm) and BCOs, Baader Mark IV zooms, TV Panoptics, Delos, Plossl 32-8mm. Mixed brand Masuyama/Astroplans Binoculars: Nikon Aculon 10x50, Celestron 15x70, Baader Maxbright. Mounts: Star Seeker IV, Vixen Porta II, Celestron CG5
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Not a huge surprise I have mentioned it a few times before :lol:
I even own a 150mm f/5 Newtonian, not that it sees much use other than outreach.
See Far Sticks: Antares Elita 103/1575, AOM FLT 105/1000, Bresser BV 127/1200, Nočný stopár 152/1200, Vyrobené doma 70/700, Stellarvue NHNG DX 80/552, TAL RS100/1000, Vixen SD115s/885
EQ: TAL MT-1, Vixen SXP, AXJ, AXD
Az/Alt: AYO Digi II/ Argo Navis, Stellarvue M2C/ Argo Navis
Tripods: Berlebach Planet (2), Uni 28 Astro, Report 372, TAL factory maple, Vixen ASG-CB90, Vixen AXD-TR102
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UlteriorModem wrote: Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:19 pm Wait a second? Gabby is looking at a Mak Cas? What on earth is going on around here!
Mak Cas is a refractor lover's economical path to larger aperture refractor like views at lower cost. Nothing out of the ordinary. :)

She's remarked favorably on them in the past .
Scopes: Refs: Orion ST80, SV 80EDA f7, TS 102ED f11 Newts: AWB 130mm, f5, Z12 f5; Cats: VMC110L, Intes MK66,VMC200L f9.75 EPs: KK Fujiyama Orthoscopics, 2x Vixen NPLs (40-6mm) and BCOs, Baader Mark IV zooms, TV Panoptics, Delos, Plossl 32-8mm. Mixed brand Masuyama/Astroplans Binoculars: Nikon Aculon 10x50, Celestron 15x70, Baader Maxbright. Mounts: Star Seeker IV, Vixen Porta II, Celestron CG5
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notFritzArgelander wrote: Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:42 pm
Bigzmey wrote: Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:10 pm
Lady Fraktor wrote: Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:29 pm I have no issues with Maksutov telescopes, Rutten and Klevtsov are my preferred styles though.
There are even some Mak-Cass and Mak-Newt that I would consider owning.
I just have a general dislike for the optics of standard SCT telescopes.
Funny how things work. From the limited sampling I had I prefer standard SCTs over standard Maks. :D
Bad sample?
I MUCH prefer aplanatic SCTs and Rutten Maks and Klevzov Maks for DSOs and planets. Even Gregory Maks like this Bresser model outperform standard SCTs on lunar/planetary.
Bad sampling can go both ways. :lol: I have not, but would love to try better executed Maks. As for mass produced Gregory Maks, they are not bad. I still prefer SCTs though.
Scopes: Stellarvue: SV102ED; Celestron: 9.25" EdgeHD, 8" SCT, 150ST, Onyx 80ED; iOptron: Hankmeister 6" Mak; SW: 7" Mak; Meade: 80ST.
Mounts: SW: SkyTee2, AzGTi; iOptron: AZMP; ES: Twilight I; Bresser: EXOS2; UA: MicroStar.
Binos: APM: 100-90 APO; Canon: IS 15x50; Orion: Binoviewer, LG II 15x70, WV 10x50, Nikon: AE 16x50, 10x50, 8x40.
EPs: Pentax: XWs & XFs; TeleVue: Delites, Panoptic & Plossls; ES: 68, 62; Vixen: SLVs; Baader: BCOs, Aspherics, Mark IV.
Diagonals: Baader: BBHS mirror, Zeiss Spec T2 prism, Clicklock dielectric; TeleVue: Evebrite dielectric; AltairAstro: 2" prism.
Filters: Lumicon: DeepSky, UHC, OIII, H-beta; Baader: Moon & SkyGlow, Contrast Booster, UHC-S, 6-color set; Astronomik: UHC.

Observing: DSOs: 3106 (Completed: Messier, Herschel 1, 2, 3. In progress: H2,500: 2180, S110: 77). Doubles: 2382, Comets: 34, Asteroids: 255
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