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Hello friends and welcome to the new edition of the TSS Monthly DSO Challenge. This month the primary plane of the Milky Way will be shifting a bit to the west and some of the autumn sky (or spring depending where you live) will begin to make its appearance. The night sky always gives us both a sense of comfortable familiarity and a sense of renewed expectation each month. We say goodbye to some old friends and hello to other old friends. That is one of the many great things about this hobby; we meet and make many good friends both down here and up there! So I wish you good luck and hope you enjoy the pursuit and results thereof. :icon-smile:


Northern Celestial Hemisphere


Messier 15 / NGC 7078 (Pegasus, globular cluster, mag=6.3, size=18.0’, class=4):
As the winged horse begins its climb in the eastern sky, the bright star Enif (Epsilon Pegasi) marking its nose is often what we see first. Just over 4° northwest of the star one can easily scoop up this fine globular cluster. The bright field star HD 204862 (mag 6.1) lies in tight proximity to the cluster, only about 17’ to its east. The cluster is smaller than the showpiece M13 in Hercules, but it is still intensely bright in the eyepiece. It is easily seen in binoculars and even magnified finders. In dark skies it may even be glimpsed with the naked eye. It sports a very bright and very tight core, which does not give up any resolution. However, its outer fringes and inward toward the core can be resolved with enough aperture and magnification.

This beauty was discovered in 1746 by Jean-Dominique Maraldi while tracking Comet de Cheseaux of 1746. Interestingly the cluster has undergone core compression whereby many of its stars have been pulled inward, giving it one of the most densely packed cores of the Milky Way globulars. An interesting aside to this globular is the fact that it contains a planetary nebula, known as Pease 1 or more officially as PK 065-27.1. It has an apparent magnitude of around 15.5 and a miniscule diameter of around 3.0”. This object is an extreme challenge for those with larger aperture and darker skies, and requires very precise image based finder charts to locate with certainty.

NGC 7243 (Lacerta, open cluster, mag=6.4, size=30.0’, class=IV2p):
The constellation representing the celestial lizard is frequently ignored by many observers. While it is true that it does not contain any Messier objects, that does not mean it is void of observable DSOs. This cluster was discovered by William Herschel in 1788. In his notes he described it as an extended cluster of coarsely scattered bright stars. Its large field is indeed scattered and coarse, but it still is a curiously pretty cluster. There are enough stars strewn across its field that intrigue the eye with numerous sub-patterns and geometric shapes. Give this object a try and see if you enjoy it as much as I do.

NGC 7331 (Pegasus, spiral galaxy, mag=9.5, size=10.2’x4.2’, SBr=13.3):
This bright and beautiful spiral was discovered by William Herschel in 1784, when he noted it as “pretty bright, considerably large, extended, little brighter in the middle.” Located in northwestern Pegasus, just over 1° south of its border with Lacerta and just under 4.5° NNW of the double star Eta Pegasi (mag 2.95 and 9.87), this is truly a fine galaxy for both visual and imaging. Not particularly difficult from areas of moderate light pollution, it truly shines in dark skies as do all diffuse and extended objects. It sports a very bright core set within its tilted oval disk. Viewing dark lanes and mottling within the disk is also possible.

Interestingly NGC 7331 is the dominant galaxy in a small unrelated grouping of galaxies known as the Deerlick Group. They are also affectionately known as the “dog and its fleas.” The dog (NGC 7331) is a foreground object, while its fleas on its back (immediately east of the “dog” are more distant galaxies physically unrelated to one another that form a line of sight grouping. The four smaller galaxies are NGC 7335 at mag 13.3, NGC 7336 at mag 14.5, NGC 7337 at mag 14.4 and NGC 7340 at mag 13.7. If you have medium to large aperture and have decent skies, see how many of the little itchy critters you can pick up. This group makes a fine imaging target as well, presenting an interesting contrast of large and bright with small and dim.


Southern Celestial Hemisphere


Melotte 227 (Octans, open cluster, mag=5.3, size=50.0’, class=II2p
Discovered by Philibert Jacques Melotte around 1915, this very deep southern object was deemed an open cluster initially. However, some studies have concluded it is merely a non-related line of sight asterism. Also known as Collider 411, regardless of whether it is a true cluster or random happenstance of stars, it is a curious and obvious object. Totaling about 40 stars, it is best observed using lower magnification due to its large angular size of around 50 arc minutes. At -79° declination, it is indeed a deep southern object. However, if it graces your sky, turn a scope its way to see how many stars you can pick out.

NGC 6818 (Sagittarius, planetary nebula, mag=9.3, size=0.45’x0.4’, SBr=7.2):
Nicknamed “The Little Gem” this bright planetary is located less than 2.5° south of the Sagittarius-Aquila border and just over 41’ NNW of our third southern challenge object, NGC 6822. First observed by William Herschel in 1767, he wrote the following description of this marvelous object: "a small beautiful planetary nebula, but considerably hazy upon the edges; it is of uniform light throughout, considerably bright. Perfectly round, 10 or 15" in diameter. My brother Jacob being in the gallery, I showed it to him." In my experience with the object, I found it slightly of our round, with an obvious pale blue color. Like Herschel, I find its edges soft, but unlike him, I find the light across the disk not totally uniform, with its eastern side being brighter. I invite you to observe and/or image this object to see how your impressions compare.

NGC 6822 (Sagittarius, barred irregular galaxy, mag=8.8, size=15.5’x13.5’, SBr=14.5):
Discovered in 1884 by E.E. Barnard, he initially considered it a variable nebula. Barnard studied this galaxy extensively over the years and published his work "NGC 6822, A Remote Stellar System" in 1925. Additionally, it is affectionately known as “Barnard’s Galaxy.” It also carries a duplicate identifier in the Index Catalogue, IC 1308 due to some identification errors by later observers. This barred irregular galaxy is a member of the Local Group of galaxies, and lies about 1.63 million light years distant. It is a challenging object visually because of its extended angular size and resulting low surface brightness. Seen from a darker area, it can appear as a diaphanous brightening against the sky. With some aperture and diligent study under dark skies, one may detect some of its brighter HII regions and even glimpse it’s central bar. In images it is a beautifully delicate visual entity that tickles the imagination, and makes a very curious study.


There you have it for this month. I hope you will add these objects to your regular plans observing and imaging plans, even if you’ve visited them previously. They are all well worth additional looks with a fresh sense of curiosity and wonder. Good luck and keep looking up there as you just might surprise yourself as to what y
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Re: TSS Monthly DSO Challenge – September 2024

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Nice set of targets Alan! I will try to revisit them in September. Except Melotte 227 of cause.
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Bigzmey wrote: Mon Sep 02, 2024 12:25 am Nice set of targets Alan! I will try to revisit them in September. Except Melotte 227 of cause.

Thank you Andrey. Look forward to your reporting on those objects. Most assuredly you're not going to see Mel 227. I had the privilege of seeing it once while on a trip to just south of the equator with the 80mm.
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Thanks Alan. I'll try M15 and break out the 152 mm scope, not expecting that much resolution but we shall see if I go to 135x or so.
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helicon wrote: Mon Sep 02, 2024 4:35 pm Thanks Alan. I'll try M15 and break out the 152 mm scope, not expecting that much resolution but we shall see if I go to 135x or so.

Good luck Michael. A 6 inch will give you a good view. You should be able to resolve some of the outer portions, but the core of course will be a very bright compact little ball. Keep an eye out for any streamers of stars in the outer halo as well.
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So I was out last night under a nice clear sky with my OSC ASI294MC Pro in the back of the SCT with a 2 x Barlow in between with the intention of capturing Saturn, too late for maximum Seelinger effect but still close to opposition. That didn't go great so I finished up just before midnight. Well the night was young and the sky was clear so what are you going to do? I thought I would have a go at the September Challenge.

Here's Messier 15, the Great Pegasus Cluster. The intention, with no guide camera attached, was to grab 60 x 30 second frames but the NINA sequence crashed half way through due to the hard drive being full up with sub par Saturn videos! And it Looks like my Flats didn't work well either! But just look at this globular cluster! As globs go, this one has it all, a large population of well resolved stars and a good dense core of more bright stars. It's thought that the core has collapsed and its densely populated central core of stars surrounds what may be a central black hole.

M15.jpg
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Very well done Graeme. M15 is a true spectacle indeed, being both a visual treat and a fine imaging target. Below is a linek to a brief article about the cluster, which mentions the core collapse, its central black hole and the fact that it was the first known globular to contain a planetary nebula - Pease 1. Your contribution is very much appreciated!


https://esahubble.org/news/heic1321/
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Caldwell 30, the Deer Lick Group is a great challenge target! Despite my short 30 minutes total integration and dodgy Flat frames, I think I caught them all, plus NGC 7327 to the West for a bonus point!

C30.jpg


C30_annotated.jpg


This group is a thing of beauty and deserves a dedicated all night session, which I shall do next time the LRGB imaging train is back on the SCT.
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kt4hx wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 11:13 pm Very well done Graeme. M15 is a true spectacle indeed, being both a visual treat and a fine imaging target. Below is a linek to a brief article about the cluster, which mentions the core collapse, its central black hole and the fact that it was the first known globular to contain a planetary nebula - Pease 1. Your contribution is very much appreciated!


https://esahubble.org/news/heic1321/

That's a good read Alan. I didn't know about the Planetary Nebula, don't think I caught it in my image either!
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Graeme1858 wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 11:55 pm
kt4hx wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 11:13 pm Very well done Graeme. M15 is a true spectacle indeed, being both a visual treat and a fine imaging target. Below is a linek to a brief article about the cluster, which mentions the core collapse, its central black hole and the fact that it was the first known globular to contain a planetary nebula - Pease 1. Your contribution is very much appreciated!


https://esahubble.org/news/heic1321/

That's a good read Alan. I didn't know about the Planetary Nebula, don't think I caught it in my image either!

It is a very challenging object. I've seen it listed with visual mags ranging 14.9 to 15.5. Because of the profusion of stars associated with the cluster, one needs a very detailed chart to locate it, and then use an O-III filter to confirm it. Below is the link to one such chart I've found. Personally I have not attempted it but plan to do so when I have a good opportunity using the 17.5 inch.

https://deepskycorner.ch/pic/charts/m15 ... hart2.webp
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Graeme1858 wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 11:44 pm Caldwell 30, the Deer Lick Group is a great challenge target! Despite my short 30 minutes total integration and dodgy Flat frames, I think I caught them all, plus NGC 7327 to the West for a bonus point!

C30.jpg
C30_annotated.jpg

This group is a thing of beauty and deserves a dedicated all night session, which I shall do next time the LRGB imaging train is back on the SCT.

Outstanding Graeme. You did well in capturing the dog and its fleas! They are both a beautiful grouping and a challenging one as well. NGC 7331 is simply a stunning object. I noticed that in your plate solved image, there were several without little circles. I suppose that may be because of the multiple incorrect identifications related to those specific NGC objects. NGC 7331, 7335, 7336, 7337 and 7340 are the only objects identified by the plate solving that are true galaxies. The remainder are tight multiple stars that are wrongly identified in the RNGC. One can read more about the various objects in your image at this link - https://cseligman.com/text/atlas/ngc73.htm and see just how confusing the identifications of some of the objects around NGC 7331 can be! :icon-smile:


I revisited the Deerlick group back in 2019 to try and pick up the dimmest of the two fleas on the dog's back (NGC 7337 and 7336) that I had missed with smaller aperture about six years prior. This was a revisit to gorgeous NGC 7331, and the two brighter fleas (NGC 7335 and 7340) in attempt to finally log the dimmest two of the group.


NGC 7331 (Pegasus, spiral galaxy, mag=9.5, size=10.5’x3.7’, SBr=13.3):
A true showpiece galaxy, this large and bright tilted spiral was very obvious at 110x, showing a large and bright core. Dark lanes were clearly seen within the arm structure. This one is simply a stunner, particularly from a dark location.

NGC 7335 (Pegasus, spiral galaxy, mag=13.4, size=1.3’x0.6’, SBr=13.0):
The brightest of the fleas, this one was a small and obvious oval just off the northeastern side of NGC 7331. It was clearly elongated and displayed a bright core at 110x.

NGC 7340 (Pegasus, elliptical galaxy, mag=13.7, size=0.9’x0.6’, SBr=13.0):
The second brightest of the dog’s irritants was even smaller and just slightly dimmer. More of rounded oval, it also displayed some central brightness at 110x.

NGC 7337 (Pegasus, barred spiral galaxy, mag=14.4, size=1.1’x0.7’, SBr=14.0):
This dim little flea was a very weak rounded concentration off the southeastern side of NGC 7331 at 110x. It was challenging even at 199x and 297x, but still evident. A dim field star was right next to the galaxy, which didn’t help its visual presentation either. I was able to finally add this one to the log. (New)

NGC 7336 (Pegasus, spiral galaxy, mag=14.5, size=0.8’x0.4’, SBr=13.1):
Finally the last and dimmest of the four fleas was this little pip just north of NGC 7335. It was tenuous at 110x, and still quite weak visually at 199x and 297x. It presented as nothing more than a small and very dim dust mote of diffuse light. Another new addition to the log. (New)
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Graeme1858 wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 10:34 pm So I was out last night under a nice clear sky with my OSC ASI294MC Pro in the back of the SCT with a 2 x Barlow in between with the intention of capturing Saturn, too late for maximum Seelinger effect but still close to opposition. That didn't go great so I finished up just before midnight. Well the night was young and the sky was clear so what are you going to do? I thought I would have a go at the September Challenge.

Here's Messier 15, the Great Pegasus Cluster. The intention, with no guide camera attached, was to grab 60 x 30 second frames but the NINA sequence crashed half way through due to the hard drive being full up with sub par Saturn videos! And it Looks like my Flats didn't work well either! But just look at this globular cluster! As globs go, this one has it all, a large population of well resolved stars and a good dense core of more bright stars. It's thought that the core has collapsed and its densely populated central core of stars surrounds what may be a central black hole.

M15.jpg

I studied your image of M15 and have annotated it below for where Pease 1 is located based on the star patterns in the outer halo of the cluster. I cannot specifically discern it at the scale of your image as its light is overwhelmed by the brightness of the stars surrounding it. But where I have added the little green circle, its in that clump of light. :icon-smile:

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Visually observed Melotte 227 with 2 friends @scribbly and Dave Jeacocke using
18" f5.4 Dob 31mm Nagler 80x 1o (Joe's)
Vixen 140mm f6.7 Neoachromat, Vixen 22mm LVW 42x 1.6o. (Dave's)

This asterism can best be described as the little Pleiades cluster. Similar open appearance approximately 1o diameter. Probably nicer in appearance in the smaller refractor due to the wider TFOV.

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OzEclipse wrote: Sun Sep 15, 2024 8:04 am Visually observed Melotte 227 with 2 friends @scribbly and Dave Jeacocke using
18" f5.4 Dob 31mm Nagler 80x 1o (Joe's)
Vixen 140mm f6.7 Neoachromat, Vixen 22mm LVW 42x 1.6o. (Dave's)

This asterism can best be described as the little Pleiades cluster. Similar open appearance approximately 1o diameter. Probably nicer in appearance in the smaller refractor due to the wider TFOV.

Joe

Thank you Joe, I appreciate the observation from down there. I observed Mel 227 eight years ago from about 5° south lat using my ED80 refractor. That short session was constantly plagued with clouds partially obscuring my views. Sometimes they would clear out only to return again, so it took me a while to observe only a few objects. In this case the cluster or asterism at best was only about 13° above the horizon. This is what I saw on that occasion as extracted from my observing notes:


I had to standby as clouds covered my stars again. But after several minutes I got a reasonably clear view and then I moved slowly to the southeast, crossing the border into Octans, home of the southern pole star. About 4° southeast of Epsilon Pavonis I encountered a rectangle of stars containing Mu1 (6.0), Mu2 (6.5) and Alpha (5.2) Octanis, along with HIP 104385 (6.6). The Mu pair point south, and my goal was getting within reach, provided the clouds would give it a rest. I slipped slowly south, canting a little west for almost 3° from Mu1 and encountered a grouping of stars that looked right – then slam! The clouds overtook my view. I had to wait this out again, and this time it was a bit tedious. There was a nice wall of clouds overtaking this part of the sky. I wound up waiting for a about 15 minutes for my view to clear out. In that time I impatiently would peer into the ES 18mm eyepiece time and again, hoping for even a thinner area. I finally had to just sit back and exhibit some patience. Eventually an opening seemed to be approaching after about 10 minutes, but no, it changed shape and closed back up again. So finally after about 15 minutes of waiting, I had my chance. I peered into the eyepiece and looked at….

Melotte 227 (Octans, open cluster, mag=5.3, size=50.0’, class=II2p):
Finally getting a chance to see it for more than a few seconds, I could easily tell it was exactly what I thought at first blush, the cluster (or asterism) plotted in Interstellarum. Also known as Collinder 441, the Sky Tools 3 info box had the comment that it was a not a true cluster. I didn’t care as it was new to me and a new constellation! At 27x I had a narrow wedge of five stars pointing southwest into the open end of a large “U” shape of six 7th and 8th magnitude stars. But the clouds were not done with me yet. They kept crossing the field dimming the stars, making them disappear and reappear. But in between these episodes, I got good looks at it, though I didn’t really go any higher in magnification. It was a large pattern and it looked quite good at 27x, so I was pleased.
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M15 was observed in September.
For a full report: viewtopic.php?t=36124

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John Baars wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 12:51 pm M15 was observed in September.
For a full report: viewtopic.php?t=36124


M 15 Final Sept 2024.jpg

Thank you John, a very fine sketch indeed.
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We had a week away last week in a quaint little cottage, up North in the Calder Vale in Lancashire on the edge of the Bowland Forest dark sky area. It was cloudy all week but the sky cleared on the last night. Outside the front of the cottage I was pleased to see that the street light was not working, there was one further up the lane but it was far enough away to not cause a problem. I did some Stellarium research before going out so I knew that C16, my last outstanding September DSO Challenge target was going to be visible high in the East with a good view from the bench right outside the front of the cottage, through my binoculars, with the back of my head resting on a cushion on the windowsill.

The head of the Lizard was easy to find just below the mid way point of a line from Caph to Deneb. The six stars of his head stood out well against the densest background of stars I have seen for a long time! The Milky Way always delivers. As for C16, I wasn’t really able to pick out a discrete Open Star Cluster because this part of the sky is as you describe in your introduction Alan, “a mass of numerous sub-patterns and geometric shapes” and a joy to view! I know that with 4 Lac at the bottom of my field of view, C16 was in the centre of my view. So I must have seen it, but really it was lost within the whole awesome picture.
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Graeme1858 wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2024 9:46 pm We had a week away last week in a quaint little cottage, up North in the Calder Vale in Lancashire on the edge of the Bowland Forest dark sky area. It was cloudy all week but the sky cleared on the last night. Outside the front of the cottage I was pleased to see that the street light was not working, there was one further up the lane but it was far enough away to not cause a problem. I did some Stellarium research before going out so I knew that C16, my last outstanding September DSO Challenge target was going to be visible high in the East with a good view from the bench right outside the front of the cottage, through my binoculars, with the back of my head resting on a cushion on the windowsill.

The head of the Lizard was easy to find just below the mid way point of a line from Caph to Deneb. The six stars of his head stood out well against the densest background of stars I have seen for a long time! The Milky Way always delivers. As for C16, I wasn’t really able to pick out a discrete Open Star Cluster because this part of the sky is as you describe in your introduction Alan, “a mass of numerous sub-patterns and geometric shapes” and a joy to view! I know that with 4 Lac at the bottom of my field of view, C16 was in the centre of my view. So I must have seen it, but really it was lost within the whole awesome picture.

Other than the cloudy skies, sounds like a nice holiday Graeme. Glad you had the chance to get a look at NGC 7243 before heading home. Sometimes it can be lost in the larger field, depending on one's skies, aperture and expectations. Below is what I noted about it some 8 years ago, from our home backyard using my 12 inch. At that time we were an average of Bortle 5 but have since degraded to a Bortle 6 level unfortunately.

NGC 7243 (Lacerta, open cluster, mag=6.4, size=30.0’, class=IV2p):
About 1.5° WNW of 4 Lacertae I scooped up this interesting cluster. Easily seen in the RACI as a large concentration of light, at 84x it exploded into a curious cluster compromised of two sections. The first along the eastern side was a smaller pattern of about 20 stars very reminiscent of the constellation Gemini. To its southwest was a bright and loose concentration of over 40 stars dominated by a sizeable curve of 8th and 9th magnitude stars. It was surrounded by a nice collection of dimmer suns forming little circles, triangles and small curves. Very rich and strongly detached from the field, a pretty sight.
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kt4hx wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 1:42 am depending on one's skies, aperture and expectations.

Yes, it was a proper treat through my 11x70s, I imagine the cluster is more obvious through a 10" dob.

40 stars dominated by a sizeable curve of 8th and 9th magnitude stars.

Saw that, there's a nice orange star amongst it that stands out nicely.

I had another viewing an hour later after the Pleiades and the Hyades had risen more, a lovely view in my Bortle 4 Lancashire sky. M31 didn't need searching for, it jumped out! I viewed a few more treats while my arms held out then packed up thinking I need one of those parallelogram binocular holders!
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