Arduino Rain Sensor

[Graeme1858]

I put an Arduino Rain Sensor for the observatory together earlier in the year. But when the weather heated up I dropped it and worked on an extractor fan controller instead. Well it's not hot any more and there's risk of rain every day instead! So I've resurrected the Rain Sensor project and improved on the mark 1 with the addition of an anti condensation heater to stop dew forming on the rain sensor plate.

So the Arduino measures the voltage between alternate lines on a Vero board using a voltage divider, when a rain drop falls on the Vero board the voltage on an analogue input pin changes. I used an Ascom driver I found online to tell NINA the Safety Monitor state change from Safe to Not Safe. Then using the NINA Ground Station plugin, NINA sends a notification to an app called Pushover. Pushover then sends a notification to my phone to wake me up if I've nodded off on the settee!

A DHT11 sensor measures temperature and humidity. The Arduino code calculates the dew point and when it rises to < 4 below ambient temperature a relay switches on a supply to a pair of heating power resistors to prevent dew forming on the rain sensor and giving a false alarm.

The whole thing works really well, on my desk! I've yet to put it in the observatory. There's just one minor flaw, there is no heater feedback loop, once the humidity rises and the heaters come on, they stay on. I think I need to put the heaters in a box under the rain sensor and use another DHT11 to provide additional control of the heaters.

This is it so far:

Can anyone think of a problem that hasn't occurred to me? Yeah, I know the rain sensor plate soldering is rough! It had been a while when I did that. The final version will be neater. And yeah I know the cable feeding the secondary side of the relay contacts is too small, the final installation cable sizes will be fit for purpose!

Graeme

[TerryMcK]

Is this now installed and working Graeme? If so have you worked out the bits to put into the NINA sequence?
I'm making one using a NANO and an Hydreon RG-9 based upon a thread in CN https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/7927 ... ina-64bit/ but am struggling with the NINA safety monitor and loop conditions.

[KathyNS]

I don't understand why the heater would stay on. Surely once the temperature-dewpoint spread increases again, the Arduino would switch off the heater? I do much the same thing with my skycam dew heater. In 'automatic' mode, it turns on the heater when the spread is less than 2 degrees (C) and turns it off when it is more than 2 degrees. It is necessary to keep the sensor away from the heater so it is responding to ambient air temperature rather than device temperature.

Your rain sensor is a "wet leaf" type. It is very effective for detecting moisture, but might be too effective. You have the advantage of doing the analog-digital conversion yourself, so perhaps you can calibrate it better than mine. I used a commercial wet-leaf unit (sold by Lee Valley for detecting water heater leaks) which had a simple on/off relay output. Unfortunately, it would trigger on the slightest dew, aborting a perfectly fine photo session unnecessarily. I replaced it with a Hydreon RG-11 rain sensor, which, on the second-most-sensitive setting, gives very sensitive rain detection without triggering on dew.

[Graeme1858]

Is this now installed and working Graeme? If so have you worked out the bits to put into the NINA sequence?
I'm making one using a NANO and an Hydreon RG-9 based upon a thread in CN https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/7927 ... ina-64bit/ but am struggling with the NINA safety monitor and loop conditions.

Hello Terry

Yeah, it is. In fact the permanent version in the observatory has been operational for six months. And it works well too. In addition I made a temporary mobile version for star parties as well. I used that one last week at Carole's East Sussex Deep Sky Camp, that worked ok too. Except I fed it with a 9V supply and the humidity was really high and the heater didn't get hot enough to dispel the dew, so dew formed on the sensor plate, the buzzer went off, my phone started ringing and the telescope parked itself! A good test I suppose. I put a 12V supply on it and all was well.

I use a Safety Monitor ASCOM Driver I found on CN, I can give you a link if you like. My sensor plate connects to a Nano analogue input, when it rains the analogue value changes, my code turns a digital output low and the ASCOM driver is triggered. NINA sees the ASCOM driver and connects the Safety Monitor to it. The Arduino Void Loop just checks the status of the driver pin. I can post my code if you like?

Graeme

[TerryMcK]

Oh yes please. That would be great.

[Graeme1858]

I don't understand why the heater would stay on. Surely once the temperature-dewpoint spread increases again, the Arduino would switch off the heater? I do much the same thing with my skycam dew heater. In 'automatic' mode, it turns on the heater when the spread is less than 2 degrees (C) and turns it off when it is more than 2 degrees. It is necessary to keep the sensor away from the heater so it is responding to ambient air temperature rather than device temperature.

Because the ambient temperature it monitored by an external DHT11 temperature and humidity sensor. My code calculates the dew point. When the dew point is within 4°C of the ambient temperature the Nano turns the heater on. But there is no closed loop, the heater doesn't increase the ambient temperature just the sensor plate so there's nothing to tell it when to switch off. So I added a second DHT11 that sits inside the box, when the internal temperature rises (25°C I think, from memory) the second sensor triggers the Nano to turn the heater off.

Your rain sensor is a "wet leaf" type. It is very effective for detecting moisture, but might be too effective. You have the advantage of doing the analog-digital conversion yourself, so perhaps you can calibrate it better than mine. I used a commercial wet-leaf unit (sold by Lee Valley for detecting water heater leaks) which had a simple on/off relay output. Unfortunately, it would trigger on the slightest dew, aborting a perfectly fine photo session unnecessarily. I replaced it with a Hydreon RG-11 rain sensor, which, on the second-most-sensitive setting, gives very sensitive rain detection without triggering on dew.

I used an eight way dip switch on the circuit board that adjusts sensitivity. It seems to be set about right, the mobile sensor triggered as soon as some fine rain started when I did a trial run in the back garden before the Deep Sky Camp. Does the Hydreon RG-11 rain sensor come with a heater to prevent dew causing false positives?

Graeme

[KathyNS]

Because the ambient temperature it monitored by an external DHT11 temperature and humidity sensor. My code calculates the dew point. When the dew point is within 4°C of the ambient temperature the Nano turns the heater on. But there is no closed loop, the heater doesn't increase the ambient temperature just the sensor plate so there's nothing to tell it when to switch off. So I added a second DHT11 that sits inside the box, when the internal temperature rises (25°C I think, from memory) the second sensor triggers the Nano to turn the heater off.

So you want to be able to modulate the heat output for a specific temperature? That makes sense. I just turn mine on and leave it on until the temperature - dewpoint spread opens up. I now have the capability of monitoring the temperature of my skycam's sensor, and I discovered that my 3-watt heater keeps it 7-8 degrees C above ambient. Which is fine, so I have no plans to modulate the heat output. But if your heater is more powerful, I can see that you would want to do that.

I used an eight way dip switch on the circuit board that adjusts sensitivity. It seems to be set about right, the mobile sensor triggered as soon as some fine rain started when I did a trial run in the back garden before the Deep Sky Camp. Does the Hydreon RG-11 rain sensor come with a heater to prevent dew causing false positives?

Graeme

The RG-11 does have a heater, though it is a pretty small one, only 1/4 watt. The sensor has several sensitivity settings. On the most sensitive one, it still triggers on heavy dew, in spite of the heater. On the next most sensitive setting, I got no false positives, but still good sensitivity to light rain. Hydreon RG-11 Manual

[GrandPaClanger]

Very interesting Graham. I had the bright idea yesterday to do exactly the same. Ordered all the bits then about 15 minutes had the Oh No moment when it dawned on me that condensation would be an issue. Been a while since I had did anything with the Arduino so I will get the basics done a then I would welcome your code if that's ok : Ian

[Graeme1858]

Very interesting Graham. I had the bright idea yesterday to do exactly the same. Ordered all the bits then about 15 minutes had the Oh No moment when it dawned on me that condensation would be an issue. Been a while since I had did anything with the Arduino so I will get the basics done a then I would welcome your code if that's ok : Ian

Hello Ian

If your weather is anything like it is in Kent, humidity is a problem every night and condensation is indeed an issue.

Here's a collection of stuff with the ArduSafe ASCOM Driver and the DHT11 Libruary. I did loads of versions during the development stage, I think the two .ino files are the latest!

AWO Rain Sensor Safety Monitor Zip 140524

Welcome to the Forum and good luck with your project.

Regards

Graeme