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Back when I had the 6" a friend of mine looked thru it and got into astronomy and went out and bought an 8" SC and he showed me greater detail with the planets and galaxies. I don't remember how much better it was but I remember thinking 'I should have went with the 8". LOL.
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Re: Can't Decide 8SE or CPC 800 GPS SCT
I've never heard of that before. I do hold private gatherings of personal friends at my dark sky property by invitation only but I've never heard of an astronomy club that closes its doors to new members.....WOW
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Whoa, whoa. If you are going to pack this into a Corvette, then you most certainly want to stick with either the 8SE or the 8-inch Evolution. Keep in mind that if you are driving to an observing site, the scope, mount and tripod are NOT the only things you will need. You'll add an eyepiece case, a battery (I take an 18AH utility battery), probably a folding table for the eyepiece case and the other detritus you'll have, some snacks or more, perhaps a coat, possibly a folding chair of some sort.
Here's a pic of what I typically take. Clockwise from top: the
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This might be because they do not do public events. Insurance could be an issue; I know our club does have to have coverage, which is not cheap. I'd think if you contact them and they knew your interest and your past scope ownership they'd be open to a visit.
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Great info on the additional trip accessories.
I am still leaning toward the Evolution 8 while still collecting more research.
As far as the closed Club it was a year ago and I think it could have just been a small private club or it may even have been part of a college club for students only.
So I'd like to understand why I would purchase 1.25 eyepieces if I'm going to get the 2" diagonal and buy only 2" eyepieces. It seems if the 2" gives a wider view and lets in more light and detail why would I spend money on 1.25 stuff instead of putting it all towards 2" stuff. You guys are smart so I'm sure I'm missing something stupid and I'm sorry if this is a stupid question.
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In several years I never saw members using mounts which I use, or EPs, or diagonals, or nebula filters. I can keep going.
Also, our club is heavily dominated by
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If you look at any popularFlyhigh7 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 1:20 am So I'd like to understand why I would purchase 1.25 eyepieces if I'm going to get the 2" diagonal and buy only 2" eyepieces. It seems if the 2" gives a wider view and lets in more light and detail why would I spend money on 1.25 stuff instead of putting it all towards 2" stuff. You guys are smart so I'm sure I'm missing something stupid and I'm sorry if this is a stupid question.
Some lines with narrower field of view don't even contain 2" EPs since they can achieve desired performance in 1.25".
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Thank you and....Bigzmey wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 1:42 am If you look at any popular EP line you will discover that it would typically be populated by 2" EPs at the lower range and 1.25" EPs at higher range. Let's take 82 degree EP set for example. In 3mm to 15mm range there is no need for 2", since 82 degree field of view can be achieved in 1.25" format. It is only starting around 19-20mm one would need 2" to deliver 82 degree field.
Some lines with narrower field of view don't even contain 2" EPs since they can achieve desired performance in 1.25".
So in the case of 3mm to 15mm range where the 2" is not needed, would I lose any detail if I used 2" eyepieces in those ranges or are those
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So, I am putting for your consideration iOptron AZMP. It has what you are looking for (payload capacity, built-in battery), built in WiFi to control the scope from your phone in addition to traditional handset. But it is an universal platform which can carry scopes of different design. You can eve run two scope side by side like I do.
https://agenaastro.com/ioptron-az-mount ... -8903.html
if you buy 8"
https://agenaastro.com/celestron-c8-a-x ... 4-xlt.html
It will be in the same price range as Evolution 8" combo you are considering.
I don't have a pic of AZMP with 8"
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EPs can have field of view from 40 to 100 degrees. At the same focal length/powerFlyhigh7 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 2:10 amThank you and....Bigzmey wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 1:42 am If you look at any popular EP line you will discover that it would typically be populated by 2" EPs at the lower range and 1.25" EPs at higher range. Let's take 82 degree EP set for example. In 3mm to 15mm range there is no need for 2", since 82 degree field of view can be achieved in 1.25" format. It is only starting around 19-20mm one would need 2" to deliver 82 degree field.
Some lines with narrower field of view don't even contain 2" EPs since they can achieve desired performance in 1.25".
So in the case of 3mm to 15mm range where the 2" is not needed, would I lose any detail if I used 2" eyepieces in those ranges or are thoseEP ranges not available in 2". Sorry but I don't yet understand what the 82 degree field is. And 'populated by' Lower or Higher range is this the value of the EPs in mm or Magnification or am I totally clueless.
For any given
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By the way, how do you compare the performance of the 7" Mak to the 8
I've read several reviews about 2" EPs bringing in more light and more detail along with the wider view. This is why I'm so stuck on 2"Bigzmey wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 2:35 am EPs can have field of view from 40 to 100 degrees. At the same focal length/power EP with larger FOV will show you larger area of sky. This is helpful when you are observing large objects or scouting the area for targets. This is the only reason to have 2" EPs to have wider field compared to 1.25". Otherwise image quality would be the same.
OK, you definitely sold me on the mount even though the link says it's back ordered. So 8
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As I wrote above, the eyepiece focal length and field of view determine the barrel diameter. You do not pick eyepieces based on barrel diameter. Here's a good article and discussion on eyepieces: viewtopic.php?t=19850
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Camera: Canon Digital Rebel XT EOS 350D
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Tele Vue Delite 11mm, Plossl 40mm & 13mm
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Head weight = 16 lbs
Tripod Weight = 12 lbs
Total Weight = 28 lbs
Tripod Leg Diameter = 1.5 Inch
Weight Carrying Capacity = 25 lbs
Comparing this to the iOptron AZ Mount Pro
Mount Head Weight 13 lbs
Tripod Weight = 18 lbs
Total Weight = 31 lbs
Counterweight 10 lbs - I wonder if the counter weight is included in the Mount weight?
Tripod Leg Diameter = 2"
Payload Capacity =33 lbs
Secondary Payload Capacity = 10 lbs - Not sure what this is
EV Mount includes a Battery and WiFi and is Gear driven
iOtron Mount includes a Battery and internal 32 channel GPS and WiFi and is Belt driven
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Secondary payload means that you can substitute the counter weight with second scope up to 10 lb in weight.
2" legs tripod offers better stability than 1.5".
Also, in my experience scope-on-the-side design (like iOptron) produces less vibrations than one arm design (like Evolution). However, I don't have personal experience with Evolution mount.
As for iOptron been out of stock, unfortunately the whole astro industry still experiencing post COVID supply issues. When I got mine three years ago I got tired of waiting and purchased used. Mike Q however has managed to buy one new recently, so they do come back in stock.
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EPs: Pentax: XWs & XFs; TeleVue: Delites, Delos, Panoptic & Plossls; ES: 68, 62; Vixen: SLVs; Baader: BCOs, Aspherics, Mark IV.
Diagonals: Baader: BBHS mirror, Zeiss Spec T2 prism, Clicklock dielectric; TeleVue: Evebrite dielectric; AltairAstro: 2" prism.
Filters: Lumicon: DeepSky, UHC, OIII, H-beta; Baader: Moon & SkyGlow, Contrast Booster, UHC-S, 6-color set; Astronomik: UHC.
Solar: HA: Lunt 50mm single stack, W/L: Meade Herschel wedge.
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EPs: Pentax: XWs & XFs; TeleVue: Delites, Delos, Panoptic & Plossls; ES: 68, 62; Vixen: SLVs; Baader: BCOs, Aspherics, Mark IV.
Diagonals: Baader: BBHS mirror, Zeiss Spec T2 prism, Clicklock dielectric; TeleVue: Evebrite dielectric; AltairAstro: 2" prism.
Filters: Lumicon: DeepSky, UHC, OIII, H-beta; Baader: Moon & SkyGlow, Contrast Booster, UHC-S, 6-color set; Astronomik: UHC.
Solar: HA: Lunt 50mm single stack, W/L: Meade Herschel wedge.
Observing: DSOs: 3122 (Completed: Messier, Herschel 1, 2, 3. In progress: H2,500: 2196, S110: 77). Doubles: 2461, Comets: 34, Asteroids: 261
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Mounts: SW: SkyTee2, AzGTi; iOptron: AZMP; ES: Twilight I; Bresser: EXOS2; UA: MicroStar.
Binos: APM: 100-90 APO; Canon: IS 15x50; Orion: Binoviewer, LG II 15x70, WV 10x50, Nikon: AE 16x50, 10x50, 8x40.
EPs: Pentax: XWs & XFs; TeleVue: Delites, Delos, Panoptic & Plossls; ES: 68, 62; Vixen: SLVs; Baader: BCOs, Aspherics, Mark IV.
Diagonals: Baader: BBHS mirror, Zeiss Spec T2 prism, Clicklock dielectric; TeleVue: Evebrite dielectric; AltairAstro: 2" prism.
Filters: Lumicon: DeepSky, UHC, OIII, H-beta; Baader: Moon & SkyGlow, Contrast Booster, UHC-S, 6-color set; Astronomik: UHC.
Solar: HA: Lunt 50mm single stack, W/L: Meade Herschel wedge.
Observing: DSOs: 3122 (Completed: Messier, Herschel 1, 2, 3. In progress: H2,500: 2196, S110: 77). Doubles: 2461, Comets: 34, Asteroids: 261
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