JayTee wrote: Thu Nov 16, 2023 9:11 pm Andrey, you should couch bad news like that surrounded by good news like pancakes are still yummy and fuzzy slippers are loved by your feet. Something like that.
Fortunately Alan you have a dark sky respite!!!kt4hx wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2023 2:20 am A far too common problem for the majority of us. A few years ago, our backyard was a solid Bortle 5 and I could do galaxy hunting with my 12 inch. Now it is a solid Bortle 6 and galaxy hunting is far more challenging. They continue to build both homes and businesses out our way, so that slow light creep has finally caught up to me.
At our dark site, despite being the least populated county in the state, tucked away in a valley with multiple ridge lines between us and significant population centers, and no localized industry, things have degraded slightly. It was a solid Bortle 3 that would on occasion dip to a B2 level. I no longer see that occasional improvement to B2 levels. However, it remains on average a solid B3. I am thankful for that, and I anticipate at my age it will remain a viable environment for galaxy hunting for as long as I am able to ge there and move the scope out of the garage.
Agreed, I would not skip observing to watch TV but I would skip observing for a massageBigzmey wrote: Thu Nov 16, 2023 9:48 pmJayTee wrote: Thu Nov 16, 2023 9:11 pm Andrey, you should couch bad news like that surrounded by good news like pancakes are still yummy and fuzzy slippers are loved by your feet. Something like that.
For me the massage is don't skip observing to watch TV, TV is not going anywhere, dark sky is. Now I am even more motivated to squeeze as many galaxies out of Anza sky as I can.
Nice account of your light pollution Joe.OzEclipse wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 11:45 pmAgreed, I would not skip observing to watch TV but I would skip observing for a massageBigzmey wrote: Thu Nov 16, 2023 9:48 pmJayTee wrote: Thu Nov 16, 2023 9:11 pm Andrey, you should couch bad news like that surrounded by good news like pancakes are still yummy and fuzzy slippers are loved by your feet. Something like that.
For me the massage is don't skip observing to watch TV, TV is not going anywhere, dark sky is. Now I am even more motivated to squeeze as many galaxies out of Anza sky as I can.
In 1994, I moved from a rented property 2km from the city centre of Canberra, to buy a place 8km from the centre. Canberra's current city population is 400,000. I also had another observing location just past the urban fringe 15km from the city.
................................YEAR..............
Distance...........1994................2023
2km..............Bortle6...........Not assessed
8km..............Bortle 4............Bortle 6/7
15km............Bortle 2/3..........Bortle 5/6
The urban fringe site is still urban fringe but suburban development is now lapping at the door. In 1994 it was 5km away.
This is from the World LP survey, 2015. I would expect the sky from my old rental property 2km north of the city would be a Bortle 8 now.
Canberra-LP.jpg.
Bortle 2 skies overhead and looking away from the city are still easily accessible 30 mins drive from the city.
These pictures are from the same location looking towards and away from Canberra from 40km from the city centre.
Murrumbidgee LP.jpgMurrumbidge-MADNESS-SINGLE-6400-50S-14MM-f28.jpgMurrumbidge-River-4341.jpg.
Three years ago(2020), I moved to my current dark sky property 160km from Canberra, the sky varied from Bortle 1 to Bortle 4 mainly driven by sky transparency variations. I don't think light pollution in my area is increasing because the two nearest towns, both 7000 population, are not sprawling out quickly. The local council has made it difficult for surrounding farmland to be subdivided into residential blocks - that's good news for astronomy. This will slow development from approaching my village. The village itself is not increasing in size. My neighbours sold to new people who immediately installed a lot of outdoor lighting. They have been very amicable about minimising the effect of their outdoor lighting on my property.
However there is more particulates in the air and the proportion of high transparency nights to lower transparency nights, at least around new moons, anecdotally seems to have dropped. It is not something I have actively tracked. Over the first couple of years, we had record rains during the La Niña. This has the effect of clearing the air and lowering the Bortle rating assessment. We are now moving into a drought (El Niño) and so there are more particulates in the air on more nights and less of those high transparency nights. I have not noted any increase in baseline light pollution over these three years, just the variation caused by transparency variations.
Another more scientific article on the progress of light pollution
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1 ... tQjgbkqiuk
Joe
Anecdotally I agree with this from my personal experience.helicon wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2023 12:11 pm Yes light pollution interferes with the circadian rhythm of animals, birds and insects. There is even some evidence that it also is unhealthy for human beings.
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