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I just got back from the campout by lake Cachuma by our club the SBAU (SB Astronomical Unit). I arrived on Friday afternoon and found a backward camping spot with a concrete pad that apparently was a frisbee-golf tee. Apparently, our groups site was on a "world class" frisbee-golf course, and we had some minor confrontations during the ensuing confusion. The pad was perfect for my Z12, no complaints here. My spot was the closest to the water, with more wind and moisture than the rest. There were 7 scopes altogether, some SCTs. The outreach leader brought his beautiful AP Mach-2 goto mount with absolute encoders on a Berlebach tripod, what a great combo.

The first night was not expected to be good but after Moonset the skies were fabulous. My plan was to use the WO binoviewers to have at least something worthwhile to show off. I could not have tried anything else because I left the extension rings at home by mistake. I had put my DIY trusses in the AP position so I could use the 20 mm eyepieces without having to use the 1.6x Barlow that is meant for accommodating the binoviewers for most types of OTA. I was happily surprised by the splendid views of Jupiter that I got, better than I had ever seen before in any scope. I looked at the double cluster and Pleiades but the 20 mm is a bit too narrow for that 1500 mm focal length. The rest of the time I was looking through other people's scopes and showing mine to others as well, after all it was a social event. This was my first serious binoviewer viewing event. I spent quite some time adjusting the controls: two helical focuses and the eye pupil adjustment like with all binos. I have to say, the binoviewers worked well.

The next day I started out hiking the Tequepis trail across the street from the Cachuma lake recreation area. Got to the top in 1:18 from where I could look down on the ocean and lake Cachuma. I met the biker that I had been following closely all the way uphill and he admitted that I had been on his tail all the way. We had a fun chat about nearby trails and Mt Whitney that I had hiked a few days ago.

The second night I started with Saturn. The onshore wind was a major disturbance that shook the image around enough for me to have to wait for a quiet time. I don't know if the problem was my DIY trusses, or the DIY foldable stand that it was sitting on. The views had some fata morgana like effects as a result of the moisture in the air. I did not see that through other scopes that were more remote from the water.

I decided to check my collimation and, by accident, made a nice discovery. While checking the secondary collimation (laser dot in the donut), I noticed that the return beam reflected on a different spot on the secondary than the forward beam. It dawned on me that instead of using the Howie Glatter tublug I could simply try to get the reflected beam on the same spot on the secondary as the forward beam using the primary collimation screws. After doing that the views of Saturn were incredibly sharp. I have never seen Saturn that crisp in any scope ever. Same with Jupiter. Seeing the Moon was a revelation, not just to me but to others as well. I credit that mostly to the binoviewers (and the new collimation trick). It was incredibly sharp. It definitely encourages me to try this more often.

What did not work at all was my manual setting circles. I tested that by going back and forth between Saturn and Jupiter, calibrating on one and validating on the other. I was consistently off by about 5 degrees in Az! What the heck? Eventually I concluded that I have a significant cone error (angle between optical and mechanical axes) due to inaccurate drilling of the AP holes for the struts that I was using. I will look into that a bit more, but I'm pretty sure that's it. Right now it's so bad, the target does not even show up in the finder scope.

The 2nd night was not that great, and the others packed up around 10 PM. To prevent another water bath from dew like after the first night, I decided to pack it up too before hitting the hay. The next morning I packed up the tent and took off around 8 AM. It was a fun weekend with some success, inspiration and good company. Not a whole lot of targets but I learned a lot about my equipment and how to make the best of it (unexpectedly well) for the few that I used.
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Ups and downs of astronomy, that's how it goes but a campout needs pics! Hope you have some to share.
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Petrol wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:13 pm Ups and downs of astronomy, that's how it goes but a campout needs pics! Hope you have some to share.
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I did not take any but one of the organizers did. I will post the link when he puts them online.
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Sounds like a couple of interesting nights Henk with some nice views of the planets. Thanks for the report and also congratulations on winning the VROD for the day!
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helicon wrote: Mon Oct 23, 2023 3:29 pm Sounds like a couple of interesting nights Henk with some nice views of the planets. Thanks for the report and also congratulations on winning the VROD for the day!
Wow thanks!
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Sounds like a fun club event, Henk. In my club the star parties have not reached back the pre-COVID level yet.

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Hi Henk,

Sounds fun if a little frustrating. My 6" reflector has significant cone error when mounted on my EM200 mount. The OTA has rotation rings that make viewing very comfortable regardless of where the scope is pointing.

I have discovered that cone error is not as bad if the tube is mounted in one direction than the other. Either way, the cone error messes with the goto with every tube rotation. I do a goto to a nearby bright easily recognised brighter star, rotate the tube to a comfortable position, then centre and align, then do a small hop to my target.

I shall definitely try your collimation trick.

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OzEclipse wrote: Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:20 pm I shall definitely try your collimation trick.
PS: It would have to be a Newt with struts otherwise you can't look at the secondary from below.

Normally I use the Howie Glatter "Tublug" but I'm not too thrilled about the elliptic rings projected back. The Tublug is a type of bulls eye device with a lens that broadens the beam and turns the donut into an independent light source. In theory it eliminates the propagation of any errors caused by secondary misalignment in half, for collimation of the primary. The elliptic rings are always a bit odd and acentric IMHO. So, for my strut Dob I will use the reflection on the secondary without Tublug.
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The setting circle goto problems turned out to be the wrong SkEye coordinates of the observation location that I entered. I guessed wrong by several degrees. So, nothing wrong with the system.
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A very nice report, thanks.
Good to read there is no cone error.
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A nice outing Henk, and those little hiccups are not uncommon in our hobby that is for sure. Congrats on the VROD.
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John Baars wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2023 7:50 am A very nice report, thanks.
Good to read there is no cone error.
Congratulations on the VROD!
Actually there is a slight cone error due to the non-offset secondary as this is a visual scope. That causes the laser dot to be 10 mm off center towards the focuser at the secondary, 1170 mm above the primary. That corresponds with a 0.48 degrees cone error. In other words you cannot aim the optical axis at zenith, the closest you get is 0.48 degrees because the box blocks the mechanical axis at 90 degrees. Good enough to work with. With a 35 mm eyepiece and a FOV of 1.5 degrees (from memory, I'm only on my first coffee) that is still significant and may force you to use the finder scope sometimes. And, thanks for the compliments!
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