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Mounts: Skywatcher AZ-GTe, EQ6-R Pro
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At longer focal lengths I prefer TV Panoptics and at shorter focal lengths, like 9mm, I'd prefer the 8mm or 10mm Delos. TV has a 9mm Delite that I haven't tried yet but there are folks here who like them and I might just switch over from Delos to Delite sacrificing a little
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If this is your first telescope I would recommend you not start buying high end eyepieces right away.
Use your telescope with a few basic ones for a while.
You will then gain knowledge on what you like to view and better understanding of the type of eyepiece you will require.
In the mean time you will not be buying eyepieces you may never use.
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Mounts: Skywatcher AZ-GTe, EQ6-R Pro
EPs: Baader Q turret with 32mm Classic Plossl and 18mm, 10mm, 6mm Classic Orthos and Q Turret barlow 2.25x
Baader Hyperion Mark IV 8-24mm zoom, Hyperion zoom barlow 2.25x
Filters: Celestron Variable Polarizing, SvBony F9131A UHC, Baader O III 10nm, Classic Lumicon O III, homemade solar filter with Baader OD 5.0 film, Optolong UV/IR cut
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That’s a reasonable approach. The wide field eyepieces are a convenient choice for dobsonian scopes since you don’t have to nudge the scope to track so often. The price paid for the convenience is higher cost AND poorer contrast and light transmission.
Long ago I did a direct careful comparison of Delos to KK Fujiyama Orthoscopics and found that the less expensive KKs were better at making an excellent contrast image.
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The only eyepieces labelled Nagler I still have are the 2-4mm and 3-6mm variable eyepieces.
I would highly recommend the Baader Morpheus 9mm though. Excellent eyepiece.
https://www.baader-planetarium.com/en/a ... pheus.html
See Far Sticks: Elita 103/1575, AOM FLT 105/1000, Bresser 127/1200 BV, Nočný stopár 152/1200, Vyrobené doma 70/700, Stellarvue NHNG DX 80/552, TAL RS 100/1000, Vixen SD115s/885
EQ: TAL MT-1, Vixen SXP, SXP2, AXJ, AXD
Az/Alt: AYO Digi II, Stellarvue M2C, Argo Navis encoders on both
Tripods: Berlebach Planet (2), Uni 28 Astro, Report 372, TAL factory maple, Vixen ASG-CB90, Vixen AXD-TR102
Diagonals: Astro-Physics, Baader Amici, Baader Herschel, iStar Blue, Stellarvue DX, Tak prism, TAL, Vixen
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My advice is to buy EPs used or on sale, then if you don't like it you can re-sell at minimal loss.
Like nFA and Gabby, my
Still, it does not mean that 82 deg EPs would not work for you. If you decide to try I suggest to go with Explore Scientific 11mm or Meade 5000 UWA 8.8mm. They perform very similar to Naglers and cost less. They also come used fairly often on Cloudy Nights and Astromart classifieds.
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EPs: Pentax: XWs & XFs; TeleVue: Delites, Delos, Panoptic & Plossls; ES: 68, 62; Vixen: SLVs; Baader: BCOs, Aspherics, Mark IV.
Diagonals: Baader: BBHS mirror, Zeiss Spec T2 prism, Clicklock dielectric; TeleVue: Evebrite dielectric; AltairAstro: 2" prism.
Filters: Lumicon: DeepSky, UHC, OIII, H-beta; Baader: Moon & SkyGlow, Contrast Booster, UHC-S, 6-color set; Astronomik: UHC.
Solar: HA: Lunt 50mm single stack, W/L: Meade Herschel wedge.
Observing: DSOs: 3122 (Completed: Messier, Herschel 1, 2, 3. In progress: H2,500: 2196, S110: 77). Doubles: 2461, Comets: 34, Asteroids: 261
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Mounts: Skywatcher AZ-GTe, EQ6-R Pro
EPs: Baader Q turret with 32mm Classic Plossl and 18mm, 10mm, 6mm Classic Orthos and Q Turret barlow 2.25x
Baader Hyperion Mark IV 8-24mm zoom, Hyperion zoom barlow 2.25x
Filters: Celestron Variable Polarizing, SvBony F9131A UHC, Baader O III 10nm, Classic Lumicon O III, homemade solar filter with Baader OD 5.0 film, Optolong UV/IR cut
Cameras: Canon EOS Rebel T3i, ASI 224 mc
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So, 9mm Nagler T6 is a good plays to start. Just keep in mind that there is a chance that you may not like it. My main complain in this case is a tight 12mm eye relief. I observe with eyeglasses on, and ideally looking for 18-20mm eye relief.
Mounts: SW: SkyTee2, AzGTi; iOptron: AZMP; ES: Twilight I; Bresser: EXOS2; UA: MicroStar.
Binos: APM: 100-90 APO; Canon: IS 15x50; Orion: Binoviewer, LG II 15x70, WV 10x50, Nikon: AE 16x50, 10x50, 8x40.
EPs: Pentax: XWs & XFs; TeleVue: Delites, Delos, Panoptic & Plossls; ES: 68, 62; Vixen: SLVs; Baader: BCOs, Aspherics, Mark IV.
Diagonals: Baader: BBHS mirror, Zeiss Spec T2 prism, Clicklock dielectric; TeleVue: Evebrite dielectric; AltairAstro: 2" prism.
Filters: Lumicon: DeepSky, UHC, OIII, H-beta; Baader: Moon & SkyGlow, Contrast Booster, UHC-S, 6-color set; Astronomik: UHC.
Solar: HA: Lunt 50mm single stack, W/L: Meade Herschel wedge.
Observing: DSOs: 3122 (Completed: Messier, Herschel 1, 2, 3. In progress: H2,500: 2196, S110: 77). Doubles: 2461, Comets: 34, Asteroids: 261
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Mounts: Skywatcher AZ-GTe, EQ6-R Pro
EPs: Baader Q turret with 32mm Classic Plossl and 18mm, 10mm, 6mm Classic Orthos and Q Turret barlow 2.25x
Baader Hyperion Mark IV 8-24mm zoom, Hyperion zoom barlow 2.25x
Filters: Celestron Variable Polarizing, SvBony F9131A UHC, Baader O III 10nm, Classic Lumicon O III, homemade solar filter with Baader OD 5.0 film, Optolong UV/IR cut
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I have a pair of the Baader Hyperion zooms which I use for binoviewing. They are very, very fine just a little bit short of the performance of a single focal length eyepiece. I use them to find the magnification that gives the best views then I switch to dedicated single focal lengths. I have pairs of BCOs and Vixen NPLs to get that last little bit of contrast.Razz wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:40 pm I realize that I may not like it but I have to start somewhere...Don't get me wrong, I do appreciate your opinion as well as the other knowledgeable people on this forum but, I do need to start somewhere....What are your thoughts about the Baader Hyperion line of eyepieces? I am very seriously considering buying the Baader Hyperion 8-24 zoom piece...But, as a novice, I see a zoom lens as an easy way out...It offers multiple magnifications with very little effort....Honestly, I'd rather put more money into quality pieces, if that makes sense....
I would not use the Baader Hyperions in a fast scope like your Apertura 10" f5. They have edge of field problems and are best in slower scopes.
Also, more $$$ does not necessarily mean higher quality optically. Try more and different setups. Experience is the best advisor.
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Mounts: Skywatcher AZ-GTe, EQ6-R Pro
EPs: Baader Q turret with 32mm Classic Plossl and 18mm, 10mm, 6mm Classic Orthos and Q Turret barlow 2.25x
Baader Hyperion Mark IV 8-24mm zoom, Hyperion zoom barlow 2.25x
Filters: Celestron Variable Polarizing, SvBony F9131A UHC, Baader O III 10nm, Classic Lumicon O III, homemade solar filter with Baader OD 5.0 film, Optolong UV/IR cut
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As a matter of fact, while I’m of the opinion that trying before buying is cost effective, I’m a bit of a hermit. There are a few occasions when I’ve had the opportunity to try before buy but mostly I’ve bought, tried, and resold what didn’t suit. By advising try before buy I know from experience that it’s more efficient.Razz wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 1:02 am Thank you for the advice, nFA, but let me ask you a question....How do I get experience if I don't buy and try things? The idea of a local astronomy club doesn't work for me so that means I have to buy and try as well as ask opinions on forums such as this...Everyone on any forum that I ask questions on has done the trial and error approach, bought something, tried it, liked it or didn't like it...Why am I different? I never said I wanted to spend a lot of money on eyepieces because it would make things better. At this point, I'm just exploring options and getting opinions....I've read a lot of your posts and I respect your opinion on this. You say the Hyperions are not good for the AD10, I believe you and your experience...How do you feel about a couple of Morpheus eyepieces and the Hyperion 8-24 zoom lens? Or maybe the Astro-Tech paradigm eyepieces?
I’ve no opinion about the Morpheus or the Paradigms.
I might be able to get an opinion on the Baader zooms in an f5 scope quickly for you.
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I guess if we are voting on EPs, I would not recommend Morpheus, Paradigms and Hyperions. Just based on my experience with those.
I have Baader Mark IV which I use with my travel scope. It is a good quality zoom, and as nFA says, approaches (but not equal) in performance to good fixed
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Binos: APM: 100-90 APO; Canon: IS 15x50; Orion: Binoviewer, LG II 15x70, WV 10x50, Nikon: AE 16x50, 10x50, 8x40.
EPs: Pentax: XWs & XFs; TeleVue: Delites, Delos, Panoptic & Plossls; ES: 68, 62; Vixen: SLVs; Baader: BCOs, Aspherics, Mark IV.
Diagonals: Baader: BBHS mirror, Zeiss Spec T2 prism, Clicklock dielectric; TeleVue: Evebrite dielectric; AltairAstro: 2" prism.
Filters: Lumicon: DeepSky, UHC, OIII, H-beta; Baader: Moon & SkyGlow, Contrast Booster, UHC-S, 6-color set; Astronomik: UHC.
Solar: HA: Lunt 50mm single stack, W/L: Meade Herschel wedge.
Observing: DSOs: 3122 (Completed: Messier, Herschel 1, 2, 3. In progress: H2,500: 2196, S110: 77). Doubles: 2461, Comets: 34, Asteroids: 261
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Baader has been a outstanding company but the Hyperion range was disapointing.
The Hyperion zoom and aspheric 31mm/ 36mm are quite good though.
Luckily Baader made up for that mistake with the Morpheus line. All are very good but the 9mm and 17.5mm are outstanding.
(and they are cheaper than Naglers but not inferior)
If you want to try some decent lower cost eyepieces that will be much better than your kit, look at Celestron X-Cel LX or used Meade HD-60
Quite good and will work with your newtonian and refractor.
See Far Sticks: Elita 103/1575, AOM FLT 105/1000, Bresser 127/1200 BV, Nočný stopár 152/1200, Vyrobené doma 70/700, Stellarvue NHNG DX 80/552, TAL RS 100/1000, Vixen SD115s/885
EQ: TAL MT-1, Vixen SXP, SXP2, AXJ, AXD
Az/Alt: AYO Digi II, Stellarvue M2C, Argo Navis encoders on both
Tripods: Berlebach Planet (2), Uni 28 Astro, Report 372, TAL factory maple, Vixen ASG-CB90, Vixen AXD-TR102
Diagonals: Astro-Physics, Baader Amici, Baader Herschel, iStar Blue, Stellarvue DX, Tak prism, TAL, Vixen
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Interesting about the Morpheus. I’ll keep that in mind.Lady Fraktor wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:54 am I agree with nFA about the Hyperion not being good in fast telescopes. Even at f/7 I find the edge quality annoying.
Baader has been a outstanding company but the Hyperion range was disapointing.
The Hyperion zoom and aspheric 31mm/ 36mm are quite good though.
Luckily Baader made up for that mistake with the Morpheus line. All are very good but the 9mm and 17.5mm are outstanding.
(and they are cheaper than Naglers but not inferior)
If you want to try some decent lower cost eyepieces that will be much better than your kit, look at Celestron X-Cel LX or used Meade HD-60
Quite good and will work with your newtonian and refractor.
The Celestron X-Cel-LX and Meade HD-60 are the same design and work fine at f5 and a little faster.
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I was thinking about what EPs I can recommend based on my own experience and most of them comes with BUT. BCOs - sharp, great light scatter control, high transmission, BUT tight eye relief in shorter
The only line I could not come with any BUTs is TV Delites. They also seems to be universally loved, I don't think I ever saw any owner not liking them. So, IMO this is the safest buy of good quality
Mounts: SW: SkyTee2, AzGTi; iOptron: AZMP; ES: Twilight I; Bresser: EXOS2; UA: MicroStar.
Binos: APM: 100-90 APO; Canon: IS 15x50; Orion: Binoviewer, LG II 15x70, WV 10x50, Nikon: AE 16x50, 10x50, 8x40.
EPs: Pentax: XWs & XFs; TeleVue: Delites, Delos, Panoptic & Plossls; ES: 68, 62; Vixen: SLVs; Baader: BCOs, Aspherics, Mark IV.
Diagonals: Baader: BBHS mirror, Zeiss Spec T2 prism, Clicklock dielectric; TeleVue: Evebrite dielectric; AltairAstro: 2" prism.
Filters: Lumicon: DeepSky, UHC, OIII, H-beta; Baader: Moon & SkyGlow, Contrast Booster, UHC-S, 6-color set; Astronomik: UHC.
Solar: HA: Lunt 50mm single stack, W/L: Meade Herschel wedge.
Observing: DSOs: 3122 (Completed: Messier, Herschel 1, 2, 3. In progress: H2,500: 2196, S110: 77). Doubles: 2461, Comets: 34, Asteroids: 261
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I also like my Delos although they are not as contrasty as the BCOs or as sharp as the KKs. The BUT with them is their weight. I am thinking about Delites.Bigzmey wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 4:58 pm Morpheus seems to be one of those EP lines which people either love or can't stand. No neutral opinions there. I am in the latter group.
I was thinking about what EPs I can recommend based on my own experience and most of them comes with BUT. BCOs - sharp, great light scatter control, high transmission, BUT tight eye relief in shorter FL. Pentax XWs - sharp, high transmission, coatings quality is second to none, long eye relief, BUT longer focal length exhibit strong field curvature in fast newts. ES82 - sharp, high transmission, BUT short effective eye relief and patchy coatings. You got the idea.
The only line I could not come with any BUTs is TV Delites. They also seems to be universally loved, I don't think I ever saw any owner not liking them. So, IMO this is the safest buy of good quality EP I can think of.
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I had a brief encounter with Delos 17.3mm and it did not click with me. The form factor, eyeguard design, large exposed top lens, and too sensitive eye position are the BUTs for me.notFritzArgelander wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 5:15 pmI also like my Delos although they are not as contrasty as the BCOs or as sharp as the KKs. The BUT with them is their weight. I am thinking about Delites.Bigzmey wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 4:58 pm Morpheus seems to be one of those EP lines which people either love or can't stand. No neutral opinions there. I am in the latter group.
I was thinking about what EPs I can recommend based on my own experience and most of them comes with BUT. BCOs - sharp, great light scatter control, high transmission, BUT tight eye relief in shorter FL. Pentax XWs - sharp, high transmission, coatings quality is second to none, long eye relief, BUT longer focal length exhibit strong field curvature in fast newts. ES82 - sharp, high transmission, BUT short effective eye relief and patchy coatings. You got the idea.
The only line I could not come with any BUTs is TV Delites. They also seems to be universally loved, I don't think I ever saw any owner not liking them. So, IMO this is the safest buy of good quality EP I can think of.
Mounts: SW: SkyTee2, AzGTi; iOptron: AZMP; ES: Twilight I; Bresser: EXOS2; UA: MicroStar.
Binos: APM: 100-90 APO; Canon: IS 15x50; Orion: Binoviewer, LG II 15x70, WV 10x50, Nikon: AE 16x50, 10x50, 8x40.
EPs: Pentax: XWs & XFs; TeleVue: Delites, Delos, Panoptic & Plossls; ES: 68, 62; Vixen: SLVs; Baader: BCOs, Aspherics, Mark IV.
Diagonals: Baader: BBHS mirror, Zeiss Spec T2 prism, Clicklock dielectric; TeleVue: Evebrite dielectric; AltairAstro: 2" prism.
Filters: Lumicon: DeepSky, UHC, OIII, H-beta; Baader: Moon & SkyGlow, Contrast Booster, UHC-S, 6-color set; Astronomik: UHC.
Solar: HA: Lunt 50mm single stack, W/L: Meade Herschel wedge.
Observing: DSOs: 3122 (Completed: Messier, Herschel 1, 2, 3. In progress: H2,500: 2196, S110: 77). Doubles: 2461, Comets: 34, Asteroids: 261
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For me it's just the weight.Bigzmey wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 5:34 pmI had a brief encounter with Delos 17.3mm and it did not click with me. The form factor, eyeguard design, large exposed top lens, and too sensitive eye position are the BUTs for me.notFritzArgelander wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 5:15 pmI also like my Delos although they are not as contrasty as the BCOs or as sharp as the KKs. The BUT with them is their weight. I am thinking about Delites.Bigzmey wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 4:58 pm Morpheus seems to be one of those EP lines which people either love or can't stand. No neutral opinions there. I am in the latter group.
I was thinking about what EPs I can recommend based on my own experience and most of them comes with BUT. BCOs - sharp, great light scatter control, high transmission, BUT tight eye relief in shorter FL. Pentax XWs - sharp, high transmission, coatings quality is second to none, long eye relief, BUT longer focal length exhibit strong field curvature in fast newts. ES82 - sharp, high transmission, BUT short effective eye relief and patchy coatings. You got the idea.
The only line I could not come with any BUTs is TV Delites. They also seems to be universally loved, I don't think I ever saw any owner not liking them. So, IMO this is the safest buy of good quality EP I can think of.
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