I don't think you realize that such a new species, if it succeeds in colonizing Mars, would not falsify the proposition that "humans will never colonize Mars".GCoyote wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:43 pmI don't think you realize how close we are to being able to create such a species. IMO it's already happening, we just don't realize it.notFritzArgelander wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:18 am The biology of this is quite daunting. That's why I think that the prerequisite technology for Mars colonization is to develop a new species that is more Mars tolerant.
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Re: Humans will never colonize Mars
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Rules about "never" are effective rhetorical devices that are of questionable truth vale.
For example: "never add one and one to get three" is pretty safe. Also, "never fund a momentum violating rocket system unless you want to fail" is another.
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Granted. It's entirely unclear that the current concept of a distinct species will still apply to humans if each individual can potentially have a customized genome. Assuming Terrans and Martians can still interbreed, would they want to?
Any metaphor will tear if stretched over too much reality.
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If they can't interbreed then the OP's thesis is safe on that front. If they can, then there are questions. What environment would suit them?
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Re: Humans will never colonize Mars
It's why I find the topic interesting. We can't answer the question until we first translate the romantic analogies from the Great Age of (European) Discovery into much more robust statements.
I don't believe many of the popular concepts for terraforming are either as easy as their proponents claim nor are they strictly necessary to establish a permanent presence in space or on another body. It's clear there is a not a lot of rigor in these discussions as to what constitutes a "colony." Now we see we may also be forced to ask, "what constitutes a human?"
I don't believe many of the popular concepts for terraforming are either as easy as their proponents claim nor are they strictly necessary to establish a permanent presence in space or on another body. It's clear there is a not a lot of rigor in these discussions as to what constitutes a "colony." Now we see we may also be forced to ask, "what constitutes a human?"
Any metaphor will tear if stretched over too much reality.
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