Possibility of the colonization of Venus put forward by NASA

[bearnard00]

This is a video about the possibility of the colonization of Venus put forward by NASA. Personally, I think the idea of colonizing Venus is completely useless idea. Even more useless than colonizing Mars. Venus's environment is even more harsh than the environment on Mars which will we should understand that the life of human beings will be changed completely as a result of the harsh environment of Venus and will not be the same as we have on Earth.

[Richard]

A bit crazy

[Bigzmey]

They just fishing for more funding.

[helicon]

They just fishing for more funding.

If you dangle this kind of teaser out there maybe someone will pony up.

[GCoyote]

It's not from NASA and does not reflect any NASA proposals except for a one second graphic about the proposed Venus missions that were announced last month.

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It's just a collection of material the creators pulled from the internet and strung together.
No space agency is actually suggesting we colonize Venus.

[Ozypic]

They still have 72% of this planet going to waste under water or on the water.. At least a rescue mission is within reach..... its all just big boys toys and keeping their funding.. I,d be putting my funding towards improving this planet. To get us to another planet they really will have to send robots that can keep theirselves running for a few thousnd years then create a few humans when they get to this magical planet... the only problem I see there is the robots will evolve enough to see its a waste of time recreating humans.... hmmmm will they become the " Borg" ?
Phill

[WilliamPaolini]

This is a video about the possibility of the colonization of Venus put forward by NASA. Personally, I think the idea of colonizing Venus is completely useless idea. Even more useless than colonizing Mars. Venus's environment is even more harsh than the environment on Mars which will we should understand that the life of human beings will be changed completely as a result of the harsh environment of Venus and will not be the same as we have on Earth.

I 100% agree. Colonizing Venus makes no sense whatsoever. Who wants to live in a flotilla above a totally inhospitable environment? I mean if it were the only option for survival then yes, otherwise not worth it. Also completely unworkable from a colonization perspective. To be a colony it needs to have a significant if not total ability to be independent. There is no way that some flotilla in the atmosphere of Venus can supply its own raw material needs for manufacturing as mining the surface of Venus would be well beyond what a flotilla-environment could manage. Perhaps might be feasible and reasonable for NASA or the like to put a floating research station there with rotating crews and regular supply runs, but that would be about it. IMO NASA puts out silly things like this just to keep the public's interest in space so they can continue to get funding. All pipe dream nonsense, but it captures the public's imagination.

I wish they would get serious though and write about feasible things that would have some useful purpose instead of all this colonization nonsense. Putting forth concepts for research stations or resource gathering stations on different worlds would be a worth while endeavor. Colonization, true colonization which is one that can be totally self supportive for ALL needs is not really feasible with our technology level in environments with inhospitable atmospheres (e.g., think about how you would build a steal production factory or other needed industrial factories to be independent in a floating colony or on the land where the atmosphere is not breathable). If a real colony is being attempted then that colony needs to be able to get all their needed resources from that environment using mining and the like, then build factories for refinement of the raw resources, etc, etc. None of that is possible if the atmosphere is not breathable.

[Makuser]

Hi all. I agree that this an experiment in futility. Also, with all of excitement about the Mars Rovers and the possible colonization some day, Russia a couple of months ago had claimed Venus. And, it is not totally unfounded. The only photos that exist of the surface details are from their Venera probes in 1975 and 1982 before they were melted and destroyed. You can read more about this and see the images here, at:
https://www.planetary.org/articles/ever ... rface-ever
The surface temperature on Venus is about 900 degrees Fahrenheit (475 degrees Celsius) – hot enough to melt lead, and although further from the sun than Mercury, it is the green house effect of the gases that makes it so hot. The atmospheric pressures are 90 times greater than that of Earth and consists mostly of carbon dioxide – with clouds composed of sulfuric acid. And at the surface, the hot, high-pressure carbon dioxide behaves in a corrosive fashion. Who would want to colonize this inferno???

[GCoyote]

Yeah, this is not a serious proposal by anyone to do anything. It's just a "futurist" web magazine run by people who've seen too many science fiction movies.

The idea of human colonies in space is still too wrapped up in romantic versions of the 17th Century with all of death left out. In all likelihood there is very little chance that any resource on another planet could ever be collected and returned to Earth at a profit. The only possible exception might be robotic mining of rare Earth minerals from near Earth asteroids which is an entirely separate matter.

[bearnard00]

Actually, I am not a great fan of colonizing Mars either. This planet is much better for colonizing than Venus but still, it has a really harsh environment ( high radiation level and low temperature ) that can negatively affect humans.

[Richard]

Well I suppose its some rich people dream , better to spend it here on Earth where its needed , dont get me wrong I am all for space exploration , but living on Mars? Venus? crazy like going to prison , we are certainly not ready for that, but then what do I know

[notFritzArgelander]

Well I suppose its some rich people dream , better to spend it here on Earth where its needed , dont get me wrong I am all for space exploration , but living on Mars? Venus? crazy like going to prison , we are certainly not ready for that, but then what do I know

Well, I'm with you on that. IMO, you know more than crazy stupid rich people! Having so much money that you can do any silly thing you fantasize about is a handicap. But what do I know?

[bearnard00]

It would be much better for rich people to make their investments in technology and projects that can preserve Earth. I have already mentioned on this forum but in another thread satellite technology that can track rare species of animals to prevent them from being killed by poachers. Also, there are special satellites that can observe coral reefs in order to help scientists to save it.

[bearnard00]

Unfortunately, NASA will do whatever they want to do, if they want to put a floating city on Venus that's exactly what they will do. Of course, if they make such technology that will allow them to build this floating city on Venus

[GCoyote]

Unfortunately, NASA will do whatever they want to do, if they want to put a floating city on Venus that's exactly what they will do. Of course, if they make such technology that will allow them to build this floating city on Venus

That's entirely wrong bearnard. NASA competes for funding with literally thousands of other Federal programs on an annual basis. The US Congress has proven time and again that it cares more about who gets the contract money than it does about the scientific value of a proposed NASA project.

And once again, the video is not from a NASA proposal. It's was made and uploaded by some futurist web magazine who borrowed some NASA graphics to make it look legitimate.