Reference photos for Eddington's Eclipse photos
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Reference photos for Eddington's Eclipse photos
i've been preparing a talk about Eddington and Crommelin's observations of the 1919 eclipse that demonstrated the deviation of star positions as predicted by Einstein's GR.
One thing that baffles me.
In the paper presented in November 1919, the details of the comparison images taken at Sobral were provided (page 12):
However, on July 10th, at 20:05 GMT, the eclipse field (which was in the constellation of Taurus) was about 50 degrees below the horizon.
Am I missing something?
One thing that baffles me.
In the paper presented in November 1919, the details of the comparison images taken at Sobral were provided (page 12):
However, on July 10th, at 20:05 GMT, the eclipse field (which was in the constellation of Taurus) was about 50 degrees below the horizon.
Am I missing something?
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Re: Reference photos for Eddington's Eclipse photos
One needs to convert from GMT to local sidereal time to see "what's up"?
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Re: Reference photos for Eddington's Eclipse photos
Sort of; local sidereal time was just before 16h, and the target area is about 4h30 - so well below the horizonnotFritzArgelander wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:30 pm One needs to convert from GMT to local sideial time to see "what's up"?
I think it's easier to work on the basis that Sobral is only 3 hours behind GMT, which makes 20:05 GMT round about Sunset time, and the target area (around kappa Tauri) had set 2 1/2 hours beforehand.
I'd miscalculated the altitude in my OP; in fact, the target area was only 33 degrees below the horizon - but imaging the comparison plates would still be a problem.
It's possible that the comparison images were taken 12 hours earlier, at 08:05 GMT, (5am local time) but it seems surprising that such a basic error would have made it through.
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Stranger things have happened. I do frequent teleconferencing with folks in NZ and even with the use of a schedulingGfamily wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:58 pmSort of; local sidereal time was just before 16h, and the target area is about 4h30 - so well below the horizonnotFritzArgelander wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:30 pm One needs to convert from GMT to local sideial time to see "what's up"?
I think it's easier to work on the basis that Sobral is only 3 hours behind GMT, which makes 20:05 GMT round about Sunset time, and the target area (around kappa Tauri) had set 2 1/2 hours beforehand.
I'd miscalculated the altitude in my OP; in fact, the target area was only 33 degrees below the horizon - but imaging the comparison plates would still be a problem.
It's possible that the comparison images were taken 12 hours earlier, at 08:05 GMT, (5am local time) but it seems surprising that such a basic error would have made it through.
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Re: Reference photos for Eddington's Eclipse photos
Aha! I see that the zero point for GMT changed in 1925 from Midday to Midnight - so the 1919 paper would have been based on the old definitionGfamily wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:58 pmSort of; local sidereal time was just before 16h, and the target area is about 4h30 - so well below the horizonnotFritzArgelander wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:30 pm One needs to convert from GMT to local sideial time to see "what's up"?
I think it's easier to work on the basis that Sobral is only 3 hours behind GMT, which makes 20:05 GMT round about Sunset time, and the target area (around kappa Tauri) had set 2 1/2 hours beforehand.
I'd miscalculated the altitude in my OP; in fact, the target area was only 33 degrees below the horizon - but imaging the comparison plates would still be a problem.
It's possible that the comparison images were taken 12 hours earlier, at 08:05 GMT, (5am local time) but it seems surprising that such a basic error would have made it through.
Who knew?
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Re: Reference photos for Eddington's Eclipse photos
Well... I didn't for one. Nice catch.Gfamily wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:08 pmAha! I see that the zero point for GMT changed in 1925 from Midday to Midnight - so the 1919 paper would have been based on the old definitionGfamily wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:58 pmSort of; local sidereal time was just before 16h, and the target area is about 4h30 - so well below the horizonnotFritzArgelander wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:30 pm One needs to convert from GMT to local sideial time to see "what's up"?
I think it's easier to work on the basis that Sobral is only 3 hours behind GMT, which makes 20:05 GMT round about Sunset time, and the target area (around kappa Tauri) had set 2 1/2 hours beforehand.
I'd miscalculated the altitude in my OP; in fact, the target area was only 33 degrees below the horizon - but imaging the comparison plates would still be a problem.
It's possible that the comparison images were taken 12 hours earlier, at 08:05 GMT, (5am local time) but it seems surprising that such a basic error would have made it through.
Who knew?
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