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Post by Lady Fraktor » Thu Jan 09, 2020 6:28 am

Proper Telescopes: Antares 105 f/15, Celestron 150 f/8, Stellarvue NHNGDX 80 f/6.9, TAL 100RS f/10, TS 102 f/11, UR 70 f/10, Vixen ED115s f/7.7
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Post by notFritzArgelander » Thu Jan 09, 2020 6:39 am

Lady Fraktor wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 6:28 am
This looks interesting
https://www.bresser.de/en/Astronomy/Tel ... embly.html
It is interesting, but I do prefer the faster Rutten Maksutov design with an independently curved secondary. Asl long as my Intes MK66 works fine, I'm not temped. For a refractor lover looking for more aperture, if I didn't have the MK66, I'd give it a whirl! The focuser is likely less quirky than on the Intes FWIW.

I long for the post Putin era when Intes Micro can get back into producing consumer optics. :sigh:
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Post by Lady Fraktor » Thu Jan 09, 2020 6:47 am

That would be very nice though I have seen a couple Intes Micro for sale, the prices are still high though.
I have not looked around for a TAL lately...

Or I could rent a lorry and go visit in the middle of the night:
https://www.professional-telescopes.com ... assegrains
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Post by notFritzArgelander » Thu Jan 09, 2020 6:58 am

Lady Fraktor wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 6:47 am
That would be very nice though I have seen a couple Intes Micro for sale, the prices are still high though.
I have not looked around for a TAL lately...

Or I could rent a lorry and go visit in the middle of the night:
https://www.professional-telescopes.com ... assegrains
:lol: But there's always the Vixen VMC line too. They are the same design as Tal but perhaps with better execution and better response to customer service: https://www.vixenoptics.com/Vixen-VMC20 ... /58291.htm

I think the VMCs would be better for visual than the VC series. I could be wrong...
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Post by Lady Fraktor » Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:05 am

The VMC always seem to be out of stock, I know they quit making the 330 and 260 a while ago, not sure about the 200 though.
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Post by notFritzArgelander » Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:55 am

Lady Fraktor wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:05 am
The VMC always seem to be out of stock, I know they quit making the 330 and 260 a while ago, not sure about the 200 though.
I think @Voyageur rather likes hers? I know I like the 110. It's not thr MK66 but... Not much is.

Are you sure about the 260? I've been eyeing it or a 9.25 Edge.
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Post by JayTee » Thu Jan 09, 2020 11:39 am

Anybody who wants to charge 739 Euros for a 152mm scope and only provides a 6X30 finder, it makes me wonder what other sub-par stuff I should worry about. Also, the focuser description was rather nebulous. I say pass, there are better deals out there.

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Post by Lady Fraktor » Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:09 pm

The focuser is the standard R&P Bresser and ES both have used for quite some time, a couple of minor tweaks and it is a robust focuser.
Accessories such as the finder are not and issue to me as it would be changed out anyways.
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Post by Lady Fraktor » Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:15 pm

notFritzArgelander wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:55 am
Lady Fraktor wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:05 am
The VMC always seem to be out of stock, I know they quit making the 330 and 260 a while ago, not sure about the 200 though.
I think @Voyageur rather likes hers? I know I like the 110. It's not thr MK66 but... Not much is.

Are you sure about the 260? I've been eyeing it or a 9.25 Edge.
It appears you are correct as the only ones gone are the 330mm and 110mm, though I am sure I recieved a notice about the 260mm being discontinued last year(?)
I will have to go through my old messages when I have time. :)
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Mounts: Celestron AS-GT, Celestron CG-5 w/ Argo Navis & tracking motor, SLT w/ pier & tripod mods, Manfrotto 028b w/ SV M2C, Mantrotto 055Pro w/ 128RC, TAL MT1C, Vixen SXP w/ HAL-130 & half pier
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Post by helicon » Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:02 pm

This thing looks like a planet killer. With my newfound interest in planetary observing I might consider it. Yeah, it's got a small finder and 1.25" focuser but I suppose that these could be swapped out as @Lady Fraktor said.
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Post by Lady Fraktor » Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:05 pm

helicon wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:02 pm
This thing looks like a planet killer. With my newfound interest in planetary observing I might consider it. Yeah, it's got a small finder and 1.25" focuser but I suppose that these could be swapped out as @Lady Fraktor said.
The focuser is actually 65mm (2.7"?) with 58mm and 31.7mm adapters.
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Post by helicon » Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:05 pm

Wow.
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Post by Bigzmey » Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:22 pm

I thought you are not in to catadioptrics Gabby. ;)
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Post by Lady Fraktor » Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:29 pm

I have no issues with Maksutov telescopes, Rutten and Klevtsov are my preferred styles though.
There are even some Mak-Cass and Mak-Newt that I would consider owning.
I just have a general dislike for the optics of standard SCT telescopes.
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Post by Bigzmey » Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:10 pm

Lady Fraktor wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:29 pm
I have no issues with Maksutov telescopes, Rutten and Klevtsov are my preferred styles though.
There are even some Mak-Cass and Mak-Newt that I would consider owning.
I just have a general dislike for the optics of standard SCT telescopes.
Funny how things work. From the limited sampling I had I prefer standard SCTs over standard Maks. :D
Scopes: Stellarvue: SV102 ED F7; Celestron: 9.25" EdgeHD F10, 8" SCT F10, 6" SCT, F10, Omni 150R Achro F5, Onyx 80ED F6.3; Meade: ST80 Achro F5.
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Post by UlteriorModem » Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:19 pm

Wait a second? Gabby is looking at a Mak Cas? What on earth is going on around here!
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Post by notFritzArgelander » Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:42 pm

Bigzmey wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:10 pm
Lady Fraktor wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:29 pm
I have no issues with Maksutov telescopes, Rutten and Klevtsov are my preferred styles though.
There are even some Mak-Cass and Mak-Newt that I would consider owning.
I just have a general dislike for the optics of standard SCT telescopes.
Funny how things work. From the limited sampling I had I prefer standard SCTs over standard Maks. :D
Bad sample?
I MUCH prefer aplanatic SCTs and Rutten Maks and Klevzov Maks for DSOs and planets. Even Gregory Maks like this Bresser model outperform standard SCTs on lunar/planetary.
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Post by Lady Fraktor » Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:44 pm

Not a huge surprise I have mentioned it a few times before :lol:
I even own a 150mm f/5 Newtonian, not that it sees much use other than outreach.
Proper Telescopes: Antares 105 f/15, Celestron 150 f/8, Stellarvue NHNGDX 80 f/6.9, TAL 100RS f/10, TS 102 f/11, UR 70 f/10, Vixen ED115s f/7.7
Mounts: Celestron AS-GT, Celestron CG-5 w/ Argo Navis & tracking motor, SLT w/ pier & tripod mods, Manfrotto 028b w/ SV M2C, Mantrotto 055Pro w/ 128RC, TAL MT1C, Vixen SXP w/ HAL-130 & half pier
Diagonal: 2" A-P Maxbright, 2" Baader Herschel Wedge (P), 2" Zeiss/ Baader Amici Prism (DX2), 2" Orion Amici Prism, 2" Stellarvue DX, 2" TeleVue EverBrite
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Post by notFritzArgelander » Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:45 pm

UlteriorModem wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:19 pm
Wait a second? Gabby is looking at a Mak Cas? What on earth is going on around here!
Mak Cas is a refractor lover's economical path to larger aperture refractor like views at lower cost. Nothing out of the ordinary. :)

She's remarked favorably on them in the past .
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Post by Bigzmey » Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:38 pm

notFritzArgelander wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:42 pm
Bigzmey wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:10 pm
Lady Fraktor wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:29 pm
I have no issues with Maksutov telescopes, Rutten and Klevtsov are my preferred styles though.
There are even some Mak-Cass and Mak-Newt that I would consider owning.
I just have a general dislike for the optics of standard SCT telescopes.
Funny how things work. From the limited sampling I had I prefer standard SCTs over standard Maks. :D
Bad sample?
I MUCH prefer aplanatic SCTs and Rutten Maks and Klevzov Maks for DSOs and planets. Even Gregory Maks like this Bresser model outperform standard SCTs on lunar/planetary.
Bad sampling can go both ways. :lol: I have not, but would love to try better executed Maks. As for mass produced Gregory Maks, they are not bad. I still prefer SCTs though.
Scopes: Stellarvue: SV102 ED F7; Celestron: 9.25" EdgeHD F10, 8" SCT F10, 6" SCT, F10, Omni 150R Achro F5, Onyx 80ED F6.3; Meade: ST80 Achro F5.
Mounts: ES Twilight I, Bresser EXOS2, SW SkyTee2, AzGTi, UA MicroStar. Binos: Orion 15x70, 10x50, Nikon 8x40.
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