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I went back to this old data from 2016 and ran it through with StarTools 1.6.382. I find the 1.6 alpha versions to have excellent tools, and they are much more stable than you would expect from an Alpha version.

This was the result of 20 2 minute subs, calibrated with darks, flats and bias frames. This is an example of what can be achieved from Bortle 8 skies with no filter and a DSLR.
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Nice to see other StarTools users. Good work!
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Super image Bob!

Really nice colors too!

Dang, I didn't realize that you were in Bortle 8!

Fine work sir!

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Bortle 8 skies! This image is absolutely incredible, striking, and beautiful, Bob.
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Ivo from StarTools made a number of changes in this latest build. It really does do a great job!
Thanks for posting!
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Very nice processing Bob, great image!
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Nice image Bob. The image is more red than I think you would normally desire and many of the stars are blue or filled with halos. This is an image that I would refine in Photoshop (PS). Even starting with the image you have, try turning down the cyan saturation a lot. After that try adjusting your gray point definition manually in PS curves. It looks like the data hasn't been clipped in the black, though the curves are aligned in a way that distorts this image; this is primarily due to it being a HDR target. Try defining the gray point using the dust lanes in the galaxy in lieu of the background sky. This will give a more natural color balance. Tweak the background sky afterwards. (I have a saved PS action where I pin the color curves along the entire range. I can then select the curve in the location that I want to change and adjust it accordingly.) I would suggest setting your white point in PS too. I try to target a maximum RGB of 243, 247 and 253 for the white point based on imaging a star with the same color class as the sun.
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Congratulations Bob, for having your image selected as today's TSS APOD.

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Congrats on the award Bob!!!
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Wonderful! Well done, Bob! Happy New Year!
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Gordon wrote: Tue Dec 31, 2019 5:54 pm Congratulations Bob, for having your image selected as today's TSS APOD.

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I was waiting for this... :)
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Very nice job, Bob... Can the stars use some work? Sure... But whose couldn't? :)
Well done and Congrats on the TSSAPOD!
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Beautiful, Bob. Excellent shot & congratulations.
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:banana-dance: Hey Bob what a way to finish the decade....LAST TSSAPOD of the decade!!! :banana-dance:
What a GREAT IMAGE!!
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Great image Bob. Congratulations!
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JimMinCT wrote: Tue Dec 31, 2019 7:16 pm Very nice job, Bob... Can the stars use some work? Sure... But whose couldn't? :)
Well done and Congrats on the TSSAPOD!
Cheers
Thanks, Jim. Yes, the stars could use some touching up. This was one of the last images from my pre-coma corrector days and it shows :)

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JohnP_1 wrote: Tue Dec 31, 2019 3:17 pm Nice image Bob. The image is more red than I think you would normally desire and many of the stars are blue or filled with halos. This is an image that I would refine in Photoshop (PS). Even starting with the image you have, try turning down the cyan saturation a lot. After that try adjusting your gray point definition manually in PS curves. It looks like the data hasn't been clipped in the black, though the curves are aligned in a way that distorts this image; this is primarily due to it being a HDR target. Try defining the gray point using the dust lanes in the galaxy in lieu of the background sky. This will give a more natural color balance. Tweak the background sky afterwards. (I have a saved PS action where I pin the color curves along the entire range. I can then select the curve in the location that I want to change and adjust it accordingly.) I would suggest setting your white point in PS too. I try to target a maximum RGB of 243, 247 and 253 for the white point based on imaging a star with the same color class as the sun.
Thanks, John. will experiment with this some more - it seems the processing is NEVER finished for an image!

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Congratulations on your TSS Photo of the Day award too!
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