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Alright Astrophiles,

Here it is. 4 months later, my first Astrophoto that I am happy to put my name on (for the most part) since I purchased my first telescope 4 months ago: The Flame and Horsehead Nebula's.

This is my first capture with the ZWO ASI1600mm Pro. While I did have some issues to work out, the learning curve really was not that bad at all.

Setting up the filter wheel was kind of a pain, because the set screws were so small... I wish I had gone with the mounted filters, but I am glad I know I can add them if I want to later on. I also lost track of the filters (oops lol). I thought I was shooting in Oiii when I was really shooting in Sii. That was easy enough to figure out though.

I set the camera's gain at the lowest read noise preset, which is what was recommended by ZWO at first, connected the 1600, my guide camera and filter wheel, and was happier with the easy cable management.
I took my first shot in Ha and was stunned by the amount of detail in the black and white image! I could never come anywhere close to that much signal with my DSLR in my bortle class 8/9.

After my first night of shooting in Ha, I was so excited that I didn't realize the standard 55mm of back focus for my ES 2" field flattener was, to no one's surprise, not working. For context, the field flattener required 85mm of back focus (not the "required" 55mm) to get decent stars, which took me about a month and a half to figure out. However, I already had the Ha data, so I thought I would shoot in Oiii and Sii before I spend another month messing with it.

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Celestron Advanced VX Mount
Explore Scientific 80mm FCD100 Triplet APO Refractor

ZWO ASI1600mm Pro settings -
Gain/Offset (all subs): 300/50
1x1 binning
Cooled to -20 C
Ha - 28 subs @ 300s
Sii - 34 subs @ 300s
50 darks, 100 flats (50x2), 50 Dark Flats

Acquired with Astrophotography Tool + PHD2 Guiding + Celestron CPWI
Stacked and Processed in Pixinsight, using Lightvortexastronomy.com as a guide.

I believe I might have messed up on my calibration frames. I will have to do more of a deep dive into that as well. I am aware of the reflection thing at the bottom of the image, but I am not sure what it is from--either a reflection from the Sii or possibly the field flattener? It was definitely not there in Ha, but it was in Sii and Oiii

I also tried to shoot in Oiii, but I was getting some weird stacked results. I might post up about it later if I see it again. I cleaned the filters and am going to check to make sure I put them in facing the right way. This is why I combined Ha with Sii, which I know is not that common lol but I am actually happy with the color combination.

So I would greatly appreciate any advice you all can give. I honestly cannot tell if this image is still too noisy, and if I should have been more aggressive with the noise reduction. I also can't tell if I went too far with saturation... I have been processing for a week now, and I am so desensitized to any changes, especially as the changes have less and less of an impact as you go through the processing. No need to mention the field curvature lol also, I am aware of the reflection, but if you guys have any thoughts on what that might be I would love to have some ideas on what I should check first...

I wish I framed it better as well.

how did I do?

ImageFlame_Final by James wainwright, on Flickr
-James W.

Telescope: Explore Scientific 80mm FCD100 Triplet APO Refractor
Mount: EQ6-R Pro
Cameras: ZWO ASI1600mm Pro (Cooled) | Canon DSLR EOS T7i
Auto-guiding: ZWO ASI120mm-Mini + Astromania 50mm Guidescope

Filters: ZWO 31mm Ha/Oiii/Sii 7nm + LRGB | Orion 2" Skyglow Filter
Accessories: Explore Scientific 2" Field Flattener, ZWO EFW 8 Position
Software: APT, SharpCap Pro, PHD2, CPWI | PixInsight, DeepSkyStacker, Photoshop

Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/gp/186194203@N06/18B629
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Wonderful work James,

You did great! Keep it up and I see a TSS Picture of the Day">TPOD award in your future.

Nicely done,
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Beautifully detailed image James!

Looks like you are off to a great AP start!

AP is very challenging and that is a big reason that it feels so good to have a long nights work produce an image you are proud of.

You should be proud of this one. It’s definitely a keeper!

Merry Christmas!

Jim
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JayTee wrote: Wed Dec 25, 2019 11:56 am Wonderful work James,

You did great! Keep it up and I see a TPOD award in your future.

Nicely done,
JT
No way that would be a very proud moment for me! haha

Wow thank you so much guys! I really appreciate it. I put a lot of effort into this shot! and you're right Jim, it feels really good to have something so awe inspiring to show for it :) I'm going to sleep great this morning! lol
-James W.

Telescope: Explore Scientific 80mm FCD100 Triplet APO Refractor
Mount: EQ6-R Pro
Cameras: ZWO ASI1600mm Pro (Cooled) | Canon DSLR EOS T7i
Auto-guiding: ZWO ASI120mm-Mini + Astromania 50mm Guidescope

Filters: ZWO 31mm Ha/Oiii/Sii 7nm + LRGB | Orion 2" Skyglow Filter
Accessories: Explore Scientific 2" Field Flattener, ZWO EFW 8 Position
Software: APT, SharpCap Pro, PHD2, CPWI | PixInsight, DeepSkyStacker, Photoshop

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very nice image!, has a lot of signal in all the important characteristic areas ,the out regions really become fainter and fade away further out i always struggle to capture those areas without that star destroying everything, with all these supernova talks with betelgeuse and eta carinae,i hope maybe alnitak will blow up too and begone from my astro imaging for good!!!

btw do you have a h-beta filter ? the little nebula with a star at the base of the horsehead shines with h-beta.also h-beta works on m42, but a lot of targets don't respond.
scopes :gso/bintel f4 12"truss tube, bresser messier ar127s /skywatcher 10'' dob,meade 12'' f10 lx200 sct
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Well done, James!!
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Very nice capture James, rarely seen with that filter combination, well done!
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Thank you everyone!
ic_1101 wrote: Wed Dec 25, 2019 2:38 pm Very nice capture James, rarely seen with that filter combination, well done!
Yeah haha I know Ha and Sii are pretty close together, but I messed up and thought I was shooting in Oiii :oops: but I was surprised with the combination and I enjoyed it! Thank you :)
-James W.

Telescope: Explore Scientific 80mm FCD100 Triplet APO Refractor
Mount: EQ6-R Pro
Cameras: ZWO ASI1600mm Pro (Cooled) | Canon DSLR EOS T7i
Auto-guiding: ZWO ASI120mm-Mini + Astromania 50mm Guidescope

Filters: ZWO 31mm Ha/Oiii/Sii 7nm + LRGB | Orion 2" Skyglow Filter
Accessories: Explore Scientific 2" Field Flattener, ZWO EFW 8 Position
Software: APT, SharpCap Pro, PHD2, CPWI | PixInsight, DeepSkyStacker, Photoshop

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Looks great! Well done, James!!
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You did marvelous.
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Thank you everyone! That is really nice to hear I really appreciate it :)
-James W.

Telescope: Explore Scientific 80mm FCD100 Triplet APO Refractor
Mount: EQ6-R Pro
Cameras: ZWO ASI1600mm Pro (Cooled) | Canon DSLR EOS T7i
Auto-guiding: ZWO ASI120mm-Mini + Astromania 50mm Guidescope

Filters: ZWO 31mm Ha/Oiii/Sii 7nm + LRGB | Orion 2" Skyglow Filter
Accessories: Explore Scientific 2" Field Flattener, ZWO EFW 8 Position
Software: APT, SharpCap Pro, PHD2, CPWI | PixInsight, DeepSkyStacker, Photoshop

Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/gp/186194203@N06/18B629
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A beautiful beginning James !
Thank you.
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