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Grabbed this on 17 October. I was mainly trying to see of I could pull out any of the outer structure of this planetary. That resulted in the core being rather blown out, but I did get some fun structure to show up along with some outer fluff. :D

I nabbed 40×180s lights stacked about 36 of them along with darks, flats, and bias.

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201910017 20_18_12 M27 v2.jpg
Compare to my capture back on 8 June of this year:
20190608 23_54_31 M27.jpg
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That's cool Bryan! Nice nebulosity (is that a word?), and one heckuva lotta stars!!

If you don't try, you'll never know...:)

Nice to hear from you; hope all is good :D
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Thefatkitty wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:16 am That's cool Bryan! Nice nebulosity (is that a word?), and one heckuva lotta stars!!

If you don't try, you'll never know...:)

Nice to hear from you; hope all is good :D
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This is a very interesting compare, Bryan.
Would it be possible to blend these two images to restore the core?
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I think that you captured all of the nebulosity that M27 had to offer!

Amazing that you still managed to keep somewhat of a dark background. I’ve never seen so many stars!

Thanks,
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Nice job bringing out the outer reaches, Bryan. Time to think about masking :)

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Don Quixote wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:50 am This is a very interesting compare, Bryan.
Would it be possible to blend these two images to restore the core?
Yeah, I think that could be done. I'll give it a go and see what I can come up with. Thanks, Mark! :)
Juno16 wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:57 am I think that you captured all of the nebulosity that M27 had to offer!

Amazing that you still managed to keep somewhat of a dark background. I’ve never seen so many stars!

Thanks,
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Thanks, Jim!

Hopefully the tropical weather isn't beating you up tonight!
bobharmony wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:29 am Nice job bringing out the outer reaches, Bryan. Time to think about masking :)

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You don't happen to be one of those closet astro-extremists, eh, Bryan?

Actually, it looks like one of those ultra-deepspace X-ray photos of a very fast rotating object. I can't believe you actually got a black background, too.
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Awesome! Well done, Bryan!
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Hankmeister3 wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:31 pm You don't happen to be one of those closet astro-extremists, eh, Bryan?

Actually, it looks like one of those ultra-deepspace X-ray photos of a very fast rotating object. I can't believe you actually got a black background, too.
Hahaha! Well, on visual observing I have a penchant for pushing myself and gear as hard as I can. I don't quite have the chops for that with AP. :D
MariusD69 wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:49 pm Awesome! Well done, Bryan!
Thanks, Marius!
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That is very interesting. I have wondered what it takes to capture and bring out those very faint details without blowing out the brighter regions. You have an great comparison there bladekeeper. Do any of the gurus out there have input on how they make aesthetic images across such a large dynamic range?
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Brian wrote: Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:52 am That is very interesting. I have wondered what it takes to capture and bring out those very faint details without blowing out the brighter regions. You have an great comparison there bladekeeper. Do any of the gurus out there have input on how they make aesthetic images across such a large dynamic range?
Thanks, my friend. :)

I think some aspect of HDR processing would accomplish that. Or masking and layering from a shorter exposure image of the object. I've got it on my to-do list to work on that but I just haven't to-dunnit yet. :lol:

Working on a lunar imaging article for the local astro club newsletter. As soon as I get that buttoned up, I'll settle in with the image and get good and mad trying to improve it a bit. I've got some reading and studying to do on that first. :lol:
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Doesn't HDR use a single image? Try killing the stars with Erode in Gimp then stacking them, either 2 images in DSS or in Gimp with 50% opacity. I know easier said than done but working with masks may be worse!
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SkyHiker wrote: Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:52 am Doesn't HDR use a single image? Try killing the stars with Erode in Gimp then stacking them, either 2 images in DSS or in Gimp with 50% opacity. I know easier said than done but working with masks may be worse!
Hahaha! Thanks for the tip, Henk. I'll give that a go and see what I can come up with. :)
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Always hard to decide exactly how to process all the data. But you got something and it's nice.

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bladekeeper wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:40 am [...] busier than a three-legged dog trying to bury a turd on an icy lake

Ok, I'm definitely writing that one down for future reference.

(I really like the triplet of red stars at about the 2 o'clock position on the longer exposure.)
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Following up on Henks post, you could try the Layer feature in StarTools. It also allows HDR without masks by blending the two (or more) images. I learned about it last year while working on my various exposure lengths of M42.

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Hello Bryan my friend! I don’t know a dang thing about AP but I like the June 8 version better! :lol: :lol: :lol: Hope you’re doing well!!
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BABOafrica wrote: Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:12 pm Always hard to decide exactly how to process all the data. But you got something and it's nice.

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Thanks, Joe! :)
pakarinen wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:44 pmOk, I'm definitely writing that one down for future reference.

(I really like the triplet of red stars at about the 2 o'clock position on the longer exposure.)
Thanks! Yeah, I've got a million dumb sayings like that. I am a product of being raised by my Arkansas grandparents. :lol:
bobharmony wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2019 6:51 pm Following up on Henks post, you could try the Layer feature in StarTools. It also allows HDR without masks by blending the two (or more) images. I learned about it last year while working on my various exposure lengths of M42.

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Thanks, Bob! I will give that method whirl too! :)
10538 wrote: Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:45 am Hello Bryan my friend! I don’t know a dang thing about AP but I like the June 8 version better! :lol: :lol: :lol: Hope you’re doing well!!
Hi Ed! I don't know a dang thing about AP either so you are in good company! :lol:

Doing good here, just so darn tired. :D
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