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Lady Fraktor wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2019 4:47 pm
(...)The other is how the tube interior is currently a bright surrounding.
Is this from the eyepiece-side? ( I suspect three spacers at the other end)
Never mind, my old Master would give you an "A".

It would be an interesting experiment to baffle the dew shield too.

Not very long ago an opticien wanted to show me some children's fingerprints on the corrector of the 14 inch Meade of the observatory. He pointed it out with a rather bright light. Meanwhile someone was observing through it; he didn't notice it. I didn't believe that and wanted to see it myself. I could not. The light was effectively put on hold by the inside baffle. He told me the wisdom "As long as the incident light doesn't reach the eyepiece, not much harm can be done."

I am not sure if baffling the dewshield will have noticeable effect.
Telescopes in Schiedam : SW 150mm Achromat F/5, SW Evostar 120ED F/7.5, Vixen 102ED F/9, OMC140 Maksutov F/14.3, SW 102MAK F/13 on Vixen GPDX.
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Astronomical Rijswijk observatory telescopes: Astro-Physics Starfire 130 f/8 on NEQ6, 6 inch Newton on GP, C8 on NEQ6, Meade 14 inch SCT on EQ8, Lunt.

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I think that whether dew shield baffling provides a benefit or not depends on the immediate environment. I noticed at my previous dark rural site that my SV ED80A started showing intermittent reflected light from the dew shield when a neighbor installed an intermittent security light. Since the light was well outside the TFOV some additional treatment of the dew shield is called for in an urban / suburban environment.
Scopes: Refractors: Orion ST80, SV ED80 A f7; Newtonians: Z12 f5; Catadioptrics: VMC110L, Intes MK66. EPs: KK Fujiyama Orthoscopics, 2x Vixen NPLs (40-6mm) and BCOs, Baader Mark IV zooms, TV Panoptics, Delos, Plossl 32-8mm. Mixed brand Masuyama/Astroplans Binoculars: Nikon Aculon 10x50, Celestron 15x70, Baader Maxbright. Mounts: Star Seeker III, Vixen Porta II, Celestron CG5, Orion Sirius EQG
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John: The image is through the focuser facing into a brightly lit room, and thank you for your comments :)
I removed the factory baffles and made five new ones. The shadow of the forward baffle falls on the face of the following baffle.

nFA: The 150mm gets used most times in a suburban environment so stray light can be an issue at times.
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Mounts: Celestron AS-GT, Celestron CG-5 w/ Argo Navis & tracking motor, SLT w/ pier & tripod mods, Manfrotto 028b w/ SV M2C, Mantrotto 055Pro w/ 128RC, TAL MT1C, Vixen SXP w/ HAL-130 & half pier
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Lady Fraktor wrote:
Mon Sep 30, 2019 5:38 am
nFA: The 150mm gets used most times in a suburban environment so stray light can be an issue at times.
I suspected as much. I may have to do something similar with my SV. I have a 24 hour porch light illuminating my southern sky exposure. :(
Scopes: Refractors: Orion ST80, SV ED80 A f7; Newtonians: Z12 f5; Catadioptrics: VMC110L, Intes MK66. EPs: KK Fujiyama Orthoscopics, 2x Vixen NPLs (40-6mm) and BCOs, Baader Mark IV zooms, TV Panoptics, Delos, Plossl 32-8mm. Mixed brand Masuyama/Astroplans Binoculars: Nikon Aculon 10x50, Celestron 15x70, Baader Maxbright. Mounts: Star Seeker III, Vixen Porta II, Celestron CG5, Orion Sirius EQG
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It is a quite similar situation in my backyard.
In the past I made a very long dewshield (no baffles) for my 60/900 refractor. More than 36 cm long. It worked up to a certain level.I just made a simple drawing of it. It seems to me that a combination of a long long shield AND baffles works best.
Telescopes in Schiedam : SW 150mm Achromat F/5, SW Evostar 120ED F/7.5, Vixen 102ED F/9, OMC140 Maksutov F/14.3, SW 102MAK F/13 on Vixen GPDX.
Eyepieces: Kitakaru, Eudiascopic, Jena, Panoptic, Nagler, Morpheus, Leica ASPH, Brandon, Parks, Fujiyama, Pentax XO.
Binoculars: AusJena 10X50 Jenoptem, Swarovski Habicht 7X42, Celestron Skymaster 15X70, Swift Observation 20X80.

Astronomical Rijswijk observatory telescopes: Astro-Physics Starfire 130 f/8 on NEQ6, 6 inch Newton on GP, C8 on NEQ6, Meade 14 inch SCT on EQ8, Lunt.

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The current dewshield is 2.5x the aperture (380mm) but I believe I have enough material to make one at 3x (450mm)
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Proper Telescopes: Antares 105 f/15, Celestron 150 f/8, Stellarvue NHNGDX 80 f/6.9, TAL 100RS f/10, TS 102 f/11, UR 70 f/10, Vixen ED115s f/7.7
Mounts: Celestron AS-GT, Celestron CG-5 w/ Argo Navis & tracking motor, SLT w/ pier & tripod mods, Manfrotto 028b w/ SV M2C, Mantrotto 055Pro w/ 128RC, TAL MT1C, Vixen SXP w/ HAL-130 & half pier
Diagonal: 2" A-P Maxbright, 2" Baader Herschel Wedge (P), 2" Zeiss/ Baader Amici Prism (DX2), 2" Orion Amici Prism, 2" Stellarvue DX, 2" TeleVue EverBrite
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notFritzArgelander wrote:
Mon Sep 30, 2019 5:51 am
Lady Fraktor wrote:
Mon Sep 30, 2019 5:38 am
nFA: The 150mm gets used most times in a suburban environment so stray light can be an issue at times.
I suspected as much. I may have to do something similar with my SV. I have a 24 hour porch light illuminating my southern sky exposure. :(
The person on one side has a large shed in the garden which has a automatic security light installed on it. It is randomly set off by cats or other animals.
🇸🇰
Proper Telescopes: Antares 105 f/15, Celestron 150 f/8, Stellarvue NHNGDX 80 f/6.9, TAL 100RS f/10, TS 102 f/11, UR 70 f/10, Vixen ED115s f/7.7
Mounts: Celestron AS-GT, Celestron CG-5 w/ Argo Navis & tracking motor, SLT w/ pier & tripod mods, Manfrotto 028b w/ SV M2C, Mantrotto 055Pro w/ 128RC, TAL MT1C, Vixen SXP w/ HAL-130 & half pier
Diagonal: 2" A-P Maxbright, 2" Baader Herschel Wedge (P), 2" Zeiss/ Baader Amici Prism (DX2), 2" Orion Amici Prism, 2" Stellarvue DX, 2" TeleVue EverBrite
Eyepieces: Antares to Zeiss
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Lady Fraktor wrote:
Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:20 pm
notFritzArgelander wrote:
Mon Sep 30, 2019 5:51 am
Lady Fraktor wrote:
Mon Sep 30, 2019 5:38 am
nFA: The 150mm gets used most times in a suburban environment so stray light can be an issue at times.
I suspected as much. I may have to do something similar with my SV. I have a 24 hour porch light illuminating my southern sky exposure. :(
The person on one side has a large shed in the garden which has a automatic security light installed on it. It is randomly set off by cats or other animals.
I've tried the polite request route. Utter failure. ;)
Scopes: Refractors: Orion ST80, SV ED80 A f7; Newtonians: Z12 f5; Catadioptrics: VMC110L, Intes MK66. EPs: KK Fujiyama Orthoscopics, 2x Vixen NPLs (40-6mm) and BCOs, Baader Mark IV zooms, TV Panoptics, Delos, Plossl 32-8mm. Mixed brand Masuyama/Astroplans Binoculars: Nikon Aculon 10x50, Celestron 15x70, Baader Maxbright. Mounts: Star Seeker III, Vixen Porta II, Celestron CG5, Orion Sirius EQG
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I have tried also, he moved the lights to pointing at the ground instead of straight out and turned the timer down to five minutes from a half hour.
Small victories I guess. I have offered to buy new lights but so far nothing has changed.
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Proper Telescopes: Antares 105 f/15, Celestron 150 f/8, Stellarvue NHNGDX 80 f/6.9, TAL 100RS f/10, TS 102 f/11, UR 70 f/10, Vixen ED115s f/7.7
Mounts: Celestron AS-GT, Celestron CG-5 w/ Argo Navis & tracking motor, SLT w/ pier & tripod mods, Manfrotto 028b w/ SV M2C, Mantrotto 055Pro w/ 128RC, TAL MT1C, Vixen SXP w/ HAL-130 & half pier
Diagonal: 2" A-P Maxbright, 2" Baader Herschel Wedge (P), 2" Zeiss/ Baader Amici Prism (DX2), 2" Orion Amici Prism, 2" Stellarvue DX, 2" TeleVue EverBrite
Eyepieces: Antares to Zeiss
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Hi Gabby,

If you are predominantly trying to exclude one troublesome light source and it is a single light source, have you considered building a one sided extended dewcone? Then the long side shields but there is no other side for the light to bounce off.
one-sided-lenshood.jpg
Another option is a blockout blind at the fence line.

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An interesting idea Joe
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Proper Telescopes: Antares 105 f/15, Celestron 150 f/8, Stellarvue NHNGDX 80 f/6.9, TAL 100RS f/10, TS 102 f/11, UR 70 f/10, Vixen ED115s f/7.7
Mounts: Celestron AS-GT, Celestron CG-5 w/ Argo Navis & tracking motor, SLT w/ pier & tripod mods, Manfrotto 028b w/ SV M2C, Mantrotto 055Pro w/ 128RC, TAL MT1C, Vixen SXP w/ HAL-130 & half pier
Diagonal: 2" A-P Maxbright, 2" Baader Herschel Wedge (P), 2" Zeiss/ Baader Amici Prism (DX2), 2" Orion Amici Prism, 2" Stellarvue DX, 2" TeleVue EverBrite
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Gabby

You can try one made out of some thin black card & an elastic band to test it out before investing time into a metal build.

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Astronomical interests : astrophotography, visual observing, nightscape photography, solar eclipse chasing
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Bortle 1-2 skies, 149 E, 35 S
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SCOPES - ATM 18" Dob, Vixen VC200L, ATM 6"f7, ED80
MOUNTS- EM-200, iEQ45, Push dobsonian with Nexus DSC
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Ive go 2 big in my Bresser approxomaly 1/3 into the scope its sticking about 1 cm from the tube wall into the scope ,and the 2nd is in the 2nd off 1/3 lenght off the scope its sticking about 4 cm into the scope..its just around 1 mm thick ---and a little rim 3 mm height its 10 cm into the scope .counting from the big lens side..3,0 mm thick metal body on this scope---,,,and ita also a structured metal handle,,and rings----its realy nice to handle--no wimpy things here--
EQ-6--- :pray: ---Bresser Messier AR-152/1200--- :pray: ---
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