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Re: Beginner with 4 choices, pls help

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You will need #2 and either #1 or #3

Here is a good guide to collimating (aligning) the mirrors for best views.
http://www.astro-baby.com/astrobaby/hel ... reflector/
See Far Sticks: Antares Elita 103/1575, AOM FLT 105/1000, Bresser BV 127/1200, Nočný stopár 152/1200, Vyrobené doma 70/700, Stellarvue NHNG DX 80/552, TAL RS100/1000, Vixen SD115s/885
EQ: TAL MT-1, Vixen SXP, AXJ, AXD
Az/Alt: AYO Digi II/ Argo Navis, Stellarvue M2C/ Argo Navis
Tripods: Berlebach Planet (2), Uni 28 Astro, Report 372, TAL factory maple, Vixen ASG-CB90, Vixen AXD-TR102
Diagonals: Astro-Physics, Baader Amici, Baader Herschel, iStar Blue, Stellarvue DX, Takahashi prism, TAL, Vixen flip mirror
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Re: Beginner with 4 choices, pls help

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Ok, so I need these 2:

https://www.astroshop.eu/miscellaneous/ ... es/p,59655
https://www.astroshop.eu/collimation-ey ... 25-/p,3925

Now, the motor topic as Lady Fraktor mentioned could be useful, which would be the cheapest option from this list?
https://www.astroshop.eu/mountings-acce ... s/15_55_76

Or perhaps it should not be a priority for now?

(thank you all for the great help so far!!)
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mmrmm wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:38 pm Ok, so I need these 2:

https://www.astroshop.eu/miscellaneous/ ... es/p,59655
https://www.astroshop.eu/collimation-ey ... 25-/p,3925

Now, the motor topic as Lady Fraktor mentioned could be useful, which would be the cheapest option from this list?
https://www.astroshop.eu/mountings-acce ... s/15_55_76

(thank you all for the great help so far!!)
https://www.astroshop.eu/drive-motors/o ... nt/p,21598

This is the one.
Scopes: Refs: Orion ST80, SV 80EDA f7, TS 102ED f11 Newts: AWB 130mm, f5, Z12 f5; Cats: VMC110L, Intes MK66,VMC200L f9.75 EPs: KK Fujiyama Orthoscopics, 2x Vixen NPLs (40-6mm) and BCOs, Baader Mark IV zooms, TV Panoptics, Delos, Plossl 32-8mm. Mixed brand Masuyama/Astroplans Binoculars: Nikon Aculon 10x50, Celestron 15x70, Baader Maxbright. Mounts: Star Seeker IV, Vixen Porta II, Celestron CG5
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Thanks.
Would you say this it is a priority for starting?
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mmrmm wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:53 pm Thanks.
Would you say this it is a priority for starting?
It's a convenience. But for using higher magnification on the moon and planets it will become a priority. If money is an issue it could wait a month or two while you get used to the other features. Collimation gear is a necessity.
Scopes: Refs: Orion ST80, SV 80EDA f7, TS 102ED f11 Newts: AWB 130mm, f5, Z12 f5; Cats: VMC110L, Intes MK66,VMC200L f9.75 EPs: KK Fujiyama Orthoscopics, 2x Vixen NPLs (40-6mm) and BCOs, Baader Mark IV zooms, TV Panoptics, Delos, Plossl 32-8mm. Mixed brand Masuyama/Astroplans Binoculars: Nikon Aculon 10x50, Celestron 15x70, Baader Maxbright. Mounts: Star Seeker IV, Vixen Porta II, Celestron CG5
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Priority no, a nice addition once you get used to using your telescope mount.
See Far Sticks: Antares Elita 103/1575, AOM FLT 105/1000, Bresser BV 127/1200, Nočný stopár 152/1200, Vyrobené doma 70/700, Stellarvue NHNG DX 80/552, TAL RS100/1000, Vixen SD115s/885
EQ: TAL MT-1, Vixen SXP, AXJ, AXD
Az/Alt: AYO Digi II/ Argo Navis, Stellarvue M2C/ Argo Navis
Tripods: Berlebach Planet (2), Uni 28 Astro, Report 372, TAL factory maple, Vixen ASG-CB90, Vixen AXD-TR102
Diagonals: Astro-Physics, Baader Amici, Baader Herschel, iStar Blue, Stellarvue DX, Takahashi prism, TAL, Vixen flip mirror
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Re: Beginner with 4 choices, pls help

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Clear, ok. Was not expecting the motor to be so expensive...

Now finally, the 10mm eyepiece? :)

https://www.astroshop.eu/eyepieces/15_1 ... eite=10-15

Anyone of these is ok, or does it need to be Plossl?
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No it does not need to be a Plossl but the Plossl eyepiece gives you good quality views for the money paid when starting out.
The Super Plossl listed here are quite good:
https://www.teleskop-express.de/shop/in ... o-52-.html
See Far Sticks: Antares Elita 103/1575, AOM FLT 105/1000, Bresser BV 127/1200, Nočný stopár 152/1200, Vyrobené doma 70/700, Stellarvue NHNG DX 80/552, TAL RS100/1000, Vixen SD115s/885
EQ: TAL MT-1, Vixen SXP, AXJ, AXD
Az/Alt: AYO Digi II/ Argo Navis, Stellarvue M2C/ Argo Navis
Tripods: Berlebach Planet (2), Uni 28 Astro, Report 372, TAL factory maple, Vixen ASG-CB90, Vixen AXD-TR102
Diagonals: Astro-Physics, Baader Amici, Baader Herschel, iStar Blue, Stellarvue DX, Takahashi prism, TAL, Vixen flip mirror
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Lady Fraktor wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2019 8:13 pm No it does not need to be a Plossl but the Plossl eyepiece gives you good quality views for the money paid when starting out.
The Super Plossl listed here are quite good:
https://www.teleskop-express.de/shop/in ... o-52-.html
I'd just get decent Plossl eyepieces for a start. Get some experience before you get fancier and pricier.
Scopes: Refs: Orion ST80, SV 80EDA f7, TS 102ED f11 Newts: AWB 130mm, f5, Z12 f5; Cats: VMC110L, Intes MK66,VMC200L f9.75 EPs: KK Fujiyama Orthoscopics, 2x Vixen NPLs (40-6mm) and BCOs, Baader Mark IV zooms, TV Panoptics, Delos, Plossl 32-8mm. Mixed brand Masuyama/Astroplans Binoculars: Nikon Aculon 10x50, Celestron 15x70, Baader Maxbright. Mounts: Star Seeker IV, Vixen Porta II, Celestron CG5
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Lady Fraktor wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2019 8:13 pm No it does not need to be a Plossl but the Plossl eyepiece gives you good quality views for the money paid when starting out.
The Super Plossl listed here are quite good:
https://www.teleskop-express.de/shop/in ... o-52-.html
Yes, that's a good selection.
Scopes: Refs: Orion ST80, SV 80EDA f7, TS 102ED f11 Newts: AWB 130mm, f5, Z12 f5; Cats: VMC110L, Intes MK66,VMC200L f9.75 EPs: KK Fujiyama Orthoscopics, 2x Vixen NPLs (40-6mm) and BCOs, Baader Mark IV zooms, TV Panoptics, Delos, Plossl 32-8mm. Mixed brand Masuyama/Astroplans Binoculars: Nikon Aculon 10x50, Celestron 15x70, Baader Maxbright. Mounts: Star Seeker IV, Vixen Porta II, Celestron CG5
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Here you can see my “basket” with all the great advices from all of you - hope you can see the picture.

Anything missing? Filters or so?

Context: this is a birthday present (for myself) so I want to ensure I get a complete pack. :)
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If it is still within budget include a 32mm Plossl.
This will be your low power/ searcher eyepiece to start with.

The basics are good, hold off with filters as good filters are expensive so avoid the dyed glass that most places sell in beginner kits.
See Far Sticks: Antares Elita 103/1575, AOM FLT 105/1000, Bresser BV 127/1200, Nočný stopár 152/1200, Vyrobené doma 70/700, Stellarvue NHNG DX 80/552, TAL RS100/1000, Vixen SD115s/885
EQ: TAL MT-1, Vixen SXP, AXJ, AXD
Az/Alt: AYO Digi II/ Argo Navis, Stellarvue M2C/ Argo Navis
Tripods: Berlebach Planet (2), Uni 28 Astro, Report 372, TAL factory maple, Vixen ASG-CB90, Vixen AXD-TR102
Diagonals: Astro-Physics, Baader Amici, Baader Herschel, iStar Blue, Stellarvue DX, Takahashi prism, TAL, Vixen flip mirror
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Btw: this is a known and trustworthy online store right?
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Yes Astroshop is a good location to shop from.
They have managed to take a considerable amount of € from me over the years :lol:
See Far Sticks: Antares Elita 103/1575, AOM FLT 105/1000, Bresser BV 127/1200, Nočný stopár 152/1200, Vyrobené doma 70/700, Stellarvue NHNG DX 80/552, TAL RS100/1000, Vixen SD115s/885
EQ: TAL MT-1, Vixen SXP, AXJ, AXD
Az/Alt: AYO Digi II/ Argo Navis, Stellarvue M2C/ Argo Navis
Tripods: Berlebach Planet (2), Uni 28 Astro, Report 372, TAL factory maple, Vixen ASG-CB90, Vixen AXD-TR102
Diagonals: Astro-Physics, Baader Amici, Baader Herschel, iStar Blue, Stellarvue DX, Takahashi prism, TAL, Vixen flip mirror
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notFritzArgelander wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:49 pm
mmrmm wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:38 pm Ok, so I need these 2:

https://www.astroshop.eu/miscellaneous/ ... es/p,59655
https://www.astroshop.eu/collimation-ey ... 25-/p,3925

Now, the motor topic as Lady Fraktor mentioned could be useful, which would be the cheapest option from this list?
https://www.astroshop.eu/mountings-acce ... s/15_55_76

(thank you all for the great help so far!!)
https://www.astroshop.eu/drive-motors/o ... nt/p,21598

This is the one.
Oh, just checked for compatibility and it is not ok...

The one from Bresser which would be compatible is not available right now.
https://www.astroshop.eu/drive-motors/b ... rol/p,2427

:sigh:

Perhaps I order everything else and hold on for the motor for later...
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Lady Fraktor wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:31 pm You will need #2 and either #1 or #3

Here is a good guide to collimating (aligning) the mirrors for best views.
http://www.astro-baby.com/astrobaby/hel ... reflector/
Will study the guide for sure, on collimating.

For everything else, to actually know how and where to start doing what when I get the telescope, any good reading please?

Online or book.
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The motors should be identical as they are both for a EQ-3??

The book Turn Left At Orion is a good one to start out with.
See Far Sticks: Antares Elita 103/1575, AOM FLT 105/1000, Bresser BV 127/1200, Nočný stopár 152/1200, Vyrobené doma 70/700, Stellarvue NHNG DX 80/552, TAL RS100/1000, Vixen SD115s/885
EQ: TAL MT-1, Vixen SXP, AXJ, AXD
Az/Alt: AYO Digi II/ Argo Navis, Stellarvue M2C/ Argo Navis
Tripods: Berlebach Planet (2), Uni 28 Astro, Report 372, TAL factory maple, Vixen ASG-CB90, Vixen AXD-TR102
Diagonals: Astro-Physics, Baader Amici, Baader Herschel, iStar Blue, Stellarvue DX, Takahashi prism, TAL, Vixen flip mirror
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Thanks for the book hint, will add to my order!

On the motor, I just got an email from them saying that only the other one I shared is compatible...?
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I will therefore split the order.
Now: telescope, alignment gear, travel bag (important for me!) and book. :)
Later: 10mm, 32mm, motor

Sounds good? Thanks a lot!
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How much magnification can he get with a 10mm eyepiece? 650mm divided by 10mm = 65 magnification. I would not be happy with that amount of magnification on the moon and planets. I need at least 100 magnification. With the 90/900mm focal length refractor I know he go as high as 150 magnification on a average weather day. I can go that high with my 70/900 Vixen refractor. With the 650mm focal length mirror reflector how high could he push the magnification? The OP primary interest is the moon and planets, which require high magnification. Do you think he could get at least 130 magnification barlowing the 10mm? It seems that his mind is set on the 130/650, but I do not want the OP to be disappointed.
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