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Hi, first post as a Newby. I’ve been doing a little bit of basic research as I’m interested in getting a telescope. As I’m a complete beginner I was thinking of getting one of the celestron star sense explorer models.
I was looking at either the LT114 or LT127. However the LT127 which I assume is a slightly better model appears to be out of stock everywhere but there are a few LT114 ‘s about from what I can see.
I believe that these models have a bird Jones lens and have Seen mixed reviews from more experienced persons ibut the general reviews I’ve seen from users seem to indicate indicate this is a good starting Telescope.. If anybody’s got any views on this or any alternative beginners models please let me know. Ideally I want something that’s easy to use but still gives me a little bit of room for manoeuvre as I get more experienced.
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:text-welcomewave: Firstly welcome to TSS; there are people here that can give you a lot more information on the pros & cons of the bird-jones scopes than I can. I think from what I hear I would avoid the 114. The principle of the push-too with star sense is attractive, but you have to manually track. That's fine if you only aspire to visual work (and nothing wrong with that) but if you have a smidgen of interest in astrophotography, you may want to save a bit more for something that will be more adaptable in future.
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The 114mm telescopes should be avoided by beginners due to the style of the setup.
Realistically they should be avoided by everyone so the manufacturers will stop producing them.
A multiple compromise telescope at best.

The 127mm is normally a Maksutov design though I could not find one listed in the LT Explorer range.
Could you post a link so we can see the specifications?
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Welcome to the Forum mistac.

I'm afraid I can't help with the telescope advice, but I see you are already getting some help.
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The current mass marketed Bird Jones scopes are not really Bird Jones scopes, that's the problem. Mssrs Bird and Jones designed a field corrector to be used with a spherical mirror. Manufacturers tend to cheap out and replace the Bird Jones corrector with a barlow lens. It's cheaper and the performance suffers tremendously. Avoid.
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Lady Fraktor wrote:Thu Jun 18, 2020 6:02 pm The 114mm telescopes should be avoided by beginners due to the style of the setup.
Realistically they should be avoided by everyone so the manufacturers will stop producing them.
A multiple compromise telescope at best.

The 127mm is normally a Maksutov design though I could not find one listed in the LT Explorer range.
Could you post a link so we can see the specifications?

Thanks for the advice so far. - here is the link https://www.harrisontelescopes.co.uk/ac ... l#SID=1701
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mistac wrote: Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:57 pm Hi, first post as a Newby. I’ve been doing a little bit of basic research as I’m interested in getting a telescope. As I’m a complete beginner I was thinking of getting one of the celestron star sense explorer models.
I was looking at either the LT114 or LT127. However the LT127 which I assume is a slightly better model appears to be out of stock everywhere but there are a few LT114 ‘s about from what I can see.
I believe that these models have a bird Jones lens and have Seen mixed reviews from more experienced persons ibut the general reviews I’ve seen from users seem to indicate indicate this is a good starting Telescope.. If anybody’s got any views on this or any alternative beginners models please let me know. Ideally I want something that’s easy to use but still gives me a little bit of room for manoeuvre as I get more experienced.
Cheers
Hi Mistac - good to see you made the move over here.

For the budget you have, I would suggest a Dobsonian scope - that probably gives the most amount of light capture for your £££. You can use a planisphere and an app on your phone to help you locate targets.

Two scopes that are a similar price to the Starsense models are:-
- a semi collapsable scope of 150mm aperture
https://www.tringastro.co.uk/sky-watche ... 7253-p.asp

- a solid scope also of 150mm aperture for slightly more money
https://www.tringastro.co.uk/sky-watche ... -451-p.asp

I'm not specifically recommending Tring as a supplier, though they are very supportive of local astronomical societies all over the country and are great people.
If you give them a call I'm sure they'll give you very solid advice as well.

What I am recommending is that you buy from a specialist astronomy dealer (like Tring) rather than buying from Amazon or places like that.
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I would not really recommend the 127mm either after seeing what style it is, these bargain priced telescope packages are put together to take your money but unfortunately they tend to cause frustration for the user.
The Celestron Astro Fi is a decent step up at this level and can also be run from your telephone. A optional hand controller is available for the mount as well.

Besides Tringastro and Harrison you also have 365 Astronomy and First Light Optics available in the UK as well as various good shops in EU so do not pick something until you look around a bit and ask questions if you are not sure about something :)
See Far Sticks: Antares Elita 103/1575, AOM FLT 105/1000, Bresser BV 127/1200, Nočný stopár 152/1200, Vyrobené doma 70/700, Stellarvue NHNG DX 80/552, TAL RS100/1000, Vixen SD115s/885
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Not to forget Rother Valley Optics, I buy most of my stuff there. Adam is a good contact.
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Greenman wrote: Fri Jun 19, 2020 11:52 am Not to forget Rother Valley Optics, I buy most of my stuff there. Adam is a good contact.
For some reason they never stick in my mind even though I have purchased from them before as well...
RVO is another good site :)
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EQ: TAL MT-1, Vixen SXP, AXJ, AXD
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Tripods: Berlebach Planet (2), Uni 28 Astro, Report 372, TAL factory maple, Vixen ASG-CB90, Vixen AXD-TR102
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Hey Mistac, welcome to the forum.

I happen to own a StarSense Explorer, the 102AZ refractor, and I am pleased with it. As others point out, you may be better off with the 130mm reflector which is only slightly larger than the 127 and 114 versions but notably better in terms of optics. Don't know how much the 130 SSE sells for in the UK but it's worth a look.

Other options mentioned are purely manual telescopes which are fine and will force you to learn star hopping (good) or GoTo telescopes that use motors to point the telescope at a chosen target. Each have advantages and disadvantages. SSE telescopes are Push-To telescopes so no motors or alignment procedures required but your phone points you in the right direction. I like that a lot but you might prefer a telescope that swings to its target automatically and tracks it as it moves in the night sky.

Most people begin with a manual telescope without these options and that is fine as well but I struggle sometimes finding targets so the extra help is welcome in my case. Since I got the SSE back in February I have seen dozens of objects I had not seen the prior year with my Z8 dob. It can really make a difference.
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The Happy Parrot wrote: Sat Jun 20, 2020 12:34 am Hey Mistac, welcome to the forum.

I happen to own a StarSense Explorer, the 102AZ refractor, and I am pleased with it. As others point out, you may be better off with the 130mm reflector which is only slightly larger than the 127 and 114 versions but notably better in terms of optics. Don't know how much the 130 SSE sells for in the UK but it's worth a look.

Other options mentioned are purely manual telescopes which are fine and will force you to learn star hopping (good) or GoTo telescopes that use motors to point the telescope at a chosen target. Each have advantages and disadvantages. SSE telescopes are Push-To telescopes so no motors or alignment procedures required but your phone points you in the right direction. I like that a lot but you might prefer a telescope that swings to its target automatically and tracks it as it moves in the night sky.

Most people begin with a manual telescope without these options and that is fine as well but I struggle sometimes finding targets so the extra help is welcome in my case. Since I got the SSE back in February I have seen dozens of objects I had not seen the prior year with my Z8 dob. It can really make a difference.
Thanks - Right or wrongly (probably wrongly based on most of the comments here!) I found one of the very few LT127's available from Tring, so ordered it and it is due for delivery tomorrow. I am very much one of those people who gets frustrated easily looking up at the sky thinking where/what is that so hopefully this model will be a good starting scope. Time will tell. The 130mm reflector is more or less double the price so was reluctant to spend that.
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mistac wrote: Mon Jun 22, 2020 10:59 pm
The Happy Parrot wrote: Sat Jun 20, 2020 12:34 am Hey Mistac, welcome to the forum.

I happen to own a StarSense Explorer, the 102AZ refractor, and I am pleased with it. As others point out, you may be better off with the 130mm reflector which is only slightly larger than the 127 and 114 versions but notably better in terms of optics. Don't know how much the 130 SSE sells for in the UK but it's worth a look.

Other options mentioned are purely manual telescopes which are fine and will force you to learn star hopping (good) or GoTo telescopes that use motors to point the telescope at a chosen target. Each have advantages and disadvantages. SSE telescopes are Push-To telescopes so no motors or alignment procedures required but your phone points you in the right direction. I like that a lot but you might prefer a telescope that swings to its target automatically and tracks it as it moves in the night sky.

Most people begin with a manual telescope without these options and that is fine as well but I struggle sometimes finding targets so the extra help is welcome in my case. Since I got the SSE back in February I have seen dozens of objects I had not seen the prior year with my Z8 dob. It can really make a difference.
Thanks - Right or wrongly (probably wrongly based on most of the comments here!) I found one of the very few LT127's available from Tring, so ordered it and it is due for delivery tomorrow. I am very much one of those people who gets frustrated easily looking up at the sky thinking where/what is that so hopefully this model will be a good starting scope. Time will tell. The 130mm reflector is more or less double the price so was reluctant to spend that.
Congratulations on your new telescope Mistac! I don't think you've made a mistake at all and the SSE software is really good at getting you where you want to be. Look in the forum for best targets for small telescopes, you will be amazed how much there is to see. High end telescopes can be wonderful but it's hard to beat a dark site on a clear night and your new telescope is easy to transport and set up.

Eventually, you may want another telescope and you will likely be able to adapt the SSE cradle to it as I did with my dob for greater versatility.

Enjoy your telescope and write up a first light report if you get a chance.
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Enjoy the telescope when it arrives :)
See Far Sticks: Antares Elita 103/1575, AOM FLT 105/1000, Bresser BV 127/1200, Nočný stopár 152/1200, Vyrobené doma 70/700, Stellarvue NHNG DX 80/552, TAL RS100/1000, Vixen SD115s/885
EQ: TAL MT-1, Vixen SXP, AXJ, AXD
Az/Alt: AYO Digi II/ Argo Navis, Stellarvue M2C/ Argo Navis
Tripods: Berlebach Planet (2), Uni 28 Astro, Report 372, TAL factory maple, Vixen ASG-CB90, Vixen AXD-TR102
Diagonals: Astro-Physics, Baader Amici, Baader Herschel, iStar Blue, Stellarvue DX, Takahashi prism, TAL, Vixen flip mirror
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Thanks - Just an update - I have had the scope for 10 days ish and initially had an issue with the red dot finder (RDF) being loose - now resolved that but no matter what I try I cant get the app to work/link with the scope. I bought this model as a complete beginner and it looks pretty idiot proof on reading the instructions and viewing stuff online it appears straightforward. I have aligned the rdf with the scope successfully several times, have aligned the app with the mirror etc and followed the instructions to the letter. I have also deleted and reinstalled the app but still had no joy. What happens is that the app tells me where to move the scope, then says it is locked on (goes green) but it is no where the target. I tried to find the moon on several occasions and the app directed me approx 180 degrees away from it! It seems to works as a standalone scope in tandem with the rdf, but the whole reason I bought it was for the app/ease of use. I did get it from a respected dealer but they are still mainly online sales so I am waiting for their advice as I not sure whether it is faulty or me doing something wrong (but I cant see what). Does anyone have any advice what I can try?
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Is the application taking time and coordinates from your telephone or are you entering them yourself?
It sounds like it thinks it is in a different location.

Idiot proof runs and hides as soon as power, electronics and optics are combined ;)
See Far Sticks: Antares Elita 103/1575, AOM FLT 105/1000, Bresser BV 127/1200, Nočný stopár 152/1200, Vyrobené doma 70/700, Stellarvue NHNG DX 80/552, TAL RS100/1000, Vixen SD115s/885
EQ: TAL MT-1, Vixen SXP, AXJ, AXD
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Tripods: Berlebach Planet (2), Uni 28 Astro, Report 372, TAL factory maple, Vixen ASG-CB90, Vixen AXD-TR102
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Lady Fraktor wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 5:05 pm Is the application taking time and coordinates from your telephone or are you entering them yourself?
It sounds like it thinks it is in a different location.

Idiot proof runs and hides as soon as power, electronics and optics are combined ;)
Thanks - I am not entering time and coordinates - there are no instructions to do this - I am guessing the phone/app does that?
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Unfortunately the manual from Celestron site is quite hopeless as it is only two pages long.
A chinese take-out food menu would be more enlightening and helpful...

The telescope needs to build a base map to determine your location so somewhere in the app must be a place to enter your location.
If it is just using an IP address that could make it think it is miles away which would not let it find objects.

Find your local coordinates in hours, minutes and seconds as Celestron mounts typically will not work with coordinates in decimal form.
If you cannot find how to pinpoint your location then you should contact Celestron Tech Support and discuss the situation with them.
See Far Sticks: Antares Elita 103/1575, AOM FLT 105/1000, Bresser BV 127/1200, Nočný stopár 152/1200, Vyrobené doma 70/700, Stellarvue NHNG DX 80/552, TAL RS100/1000, Vixen SD115s/885
EQ: TAL MT-1, Vixen SXP, AXJ, AXD
Az/Alt: AYO Digi II/ Argo Navis, Stellarvue M2C/ Argo Navis
Tripods: Berlebach Planet (2), Uni 28 Astro, Report 372, TAL factory maple, Vixen ASG-CB90, Vixen AXD-TR102
Diagonals: Astro-Physics, Baader Amici, Baader Herschel, iStar Blue, Stellarvue DX, Takahashi prism, TAL, Vixen flip mirror
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Lady Fraktor wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:17 pm Unfortunately the manual from Celestron site is quite hopeless as it is only two pages long.
A chinese take-out food menu would be more enlightening and helpful...

The telescope needs to build a base map to determine your location so somewhere in the app must be a place to enter your location.
If it is just using an IP address that could make it think it is miles away which would not let it find objects.

Find your local coordinates in hours, minutes and seconds as Celestron mounts typically will not work with coordinates in decimal form.
If you cannot find how to pinpoint your location then you should contact Celestron Tech Support and discuss the situation with them.
thanks - I have checked the apps location settings - I have/had pressed "current location"
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Does it give you a physical location?
If just going by a IP it could be quite a bit off.
When I was in Canada my IP address said I was in a town 200km away as it was the closest service center.
Just something to check. :)
See Far Sticks: Antares Elita 103/1575, AOM FLT 105/1000, Bresser BV 127/1200, Nočný stopár 152/1200, Vyrobené doma 70/700, Stellarvue NHNG DX 80/552, TAL RS100/1000, Vixen SD115s/885
EQ: TAL MT-1, Vixen SXP, AXJ, AXD
Az/Alt: AYO Digi II/ Argo Navis, Stellarvue M2C/ Argo Navis
Tripods: Berlebach Planet (2), Uni 28 Astro, Report 372, TAL factory maple, Vixen ASG-CB90, Vixen AXD-TR102
Diagonals: Astro-Physics, Baader Amici, Baader Herschel, iStar Blue, Stellarvue DX, Takahashi prism, TAL, Vixen flip mirror
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