Getting around design flaws

Tell us about those other projects you are working on.
Post Reply
User avatar
seer
Saturn Ambassador
Articles: 0
Offline
Posts: 372
Joined: Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:24 am
4
Location: Johnstown, Pennsylvania, USA
Status:
Offline

Getting around design flaws

#1

Post by seer »


DSCN1422.JPG
I took my new 144mm EQ reflector out last night and the biggest problem with it was after I polar aligned with the AZ part of the mount and lock it down with the knob screw it twists the mount and throws the alignment way off.
I seen someone long ago use a bar clamp for securing instead of the knob screw so I thought I would try something like that. The above photo is what I have to use. I tried it and it seems to work. I'm going shopping today and I'll look for a bar clamp.
Donald
Tasco BRK Essentials Model: 169735 7x35, Celestron Cometron 7x50, Bushnell 10x50 Legacy WP, Oberwerk 15x70 LW, Meade Infinity 60mm AZ Refractor, Bushnell Deep Space 3 inch Reflector, Meade Polaris 80mm EQ Refractor, Meade Polaris 114mm Reflector.
User avatar
Lady Fraktor Slovakia
Universal Ambassador
Articles: 0
Online
Posts: 9962
Joined: Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:14 pm
4
Location: Slovakia
Status:
Online

Re: Getting around design flaws

#2

Post by Lady Fraktor »


You need to describe a bit better what you are doing so other can understand.
Good luck with the experimenting though, sometimes we have to go the extra steps to get more out of our equipment :)
Gabrielle
See Far Sticks: Elita 103/1575, AOM FLT 105/1000, Bresser 127/1200 BV, Nočný stopár 152/1200, Vyrobené doma 70/700, Stellarvue NHNG DX 80/552, TAL RS 100/1000, Vixen SD115s/885
EQ: TAL MT-1, Vixen SXP, SXP2, AXJ, AXD
Az/Alt: AYO Digi II, Stellarvue M2C, Argo Navis encoders on both
Tripods: Berlebach Planet (2), Uni 28 Astro, Report 372, TAL factory maple, Vixen ASG-CB90, Vixen AXD-TR102
Diagonals: Astro-Physics, Baader Amici, Baader Herschel, iStar Blue, Stellarvue DX, Tak prism, TAL, Vixen
Eyepieces: Antares to Zeiss (1011110)
The only culture I have is from yogurt
Image
User avatar
seer
Saturn Ambassador
Articles: 0
Offline
Posts: 372
Joined: Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:24 am
4
Location: Johnstown, Pennsylvania, USA
Status:
Offline

Re: Getting around design flaws

#3

Post by seer »


DSCN1423.JPG
I got lucky and found a cheap bar clamp at Walmart that seems to work. :)
On the Polaris EQ1&2 mounts there are Azimuth lock knobs on the bottoms. The arrow in the photo points to it. The azimuth and the latitude are what you set when you polar align your telescope before you use it. After you get it centered on Polaris you have to lock it down so that it doesn't move BUT when you do that by tightening that knob down it moves the mount and destroys the polar alignment.
Donald
Tasco BRK Essentials Model: 169735 7x35, Celestron Cometron 7x50, Bushnell 10x50 Legacy WP, Oberwerk 15x70 LW, Meade Infinity 60mm AZ Refractor, Bushnell Deep Space 3 inch Reflector, Meade Polaris 80mm EQ Refractor, Meade Polaris 114mm Reflector.
User avatar
JayTee United States of America
Universal Ambassador
Articles: 2
Offline
Posts: 5638
Joined: Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:23 am
4
Location: Idaho, USA
Status:
Offline

TSS Awards Badges

TSS Photo of the Day

Re: Getting around design flaws

#4

Post by JayTee »


So, is the clamp going to be a permanent thing, or are you going to use it so the mount doesn't move while you're tightening the azimuth knob and then you remove the clamp?

Just curious,
JT
∞ Primary Scopes: #1: Celestron CPC1100 #2: 8" f/7.5 Dob #3: CR150HD f/8 6" frac
∞ AP Scopes: #1: TPO 6" f/9 RC #2: ES 102 f/7 APO #3: ES 80mm f/6 APO
∞ G&G Scopes: #1: Meade 102mm f/7.8 #2: Bresser 102mm f/4.5
∞ Guide Scopes: 70 & 80mm fracs -- The El Cheapo Bros.
∞ Mounts: iOptron CEM70AG, SW EQ6, Celestron AVX, SLT & GT (Alt-Az), Meade DS2000
∞ Cameras: #1: ZWO ASI294MC Pro #2: 662MC #3: 120MC, Canon T3i, Orion SSAG, WYZE Cam3
∞ Binos: 10X50,11X70,15X70, 25X100
∞ EPs: ES 2": 21mm 100° & 30mm 82° Pentax XW: 7, 10, 14, & 20mm 70°

Searching the skies since 1966. "I never met a scope I didn't want to keep."

Image
User avatar
seer
Saturn Ambassador
Articles: 0
Offline
Posts: 372
Joined: Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:24 am
4
Location: Johnstown, Pennsylvania, USA
Status:
Offline

Re: Getting around design flaws

#5

Post by seer »


JayTee wrote: Fri Aug 30, 2019 8:02 pm So, is the clamp going to be a permanent thing, or are you going to use it so the mount doesn't move while you're tightening the azimuth knob and then you remove the clamp?

Just curious,
JT
I didn't think about it that way :think:
Why add unnecessary steps. As long as the clamp doesn't get in the way and hold securely enough I wouldn't retighten the azimuth lock knob. This bar clamp should be a lot faster and easier than turning knobs or spinning levers. The azimuth lock knob now will came mostly into play for storage and transport.
Donald
Tasco BRK Essentials Model: 169735 7x35, Celestron Cometron 7x50, Bushnell 10x50 Legacy WP, Oberwerk 15x70 LW, Meade Infinity 60mm AZ Refractor, Bushnell Deep Space 3 inch Reflector, Meade Polaris 80mm EQ Refractor, Meade Polaris 114mm Reflector.
User avatar
Lady Fraktor Slovakia
Universal Ambassador
Articles: 0
Online
Posts: 9962
Joined: Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:14 pm
4
Location: Slovakia
Status:
Online

Re: Getting around design flaws

#6

Post by Lady Fraktor »


Does position it, clamp mount, do alignment not work?
Most of these do not need to be perfectly level or pointing precisely north.
Usually close will get it working.

A interesting idea to help remove slack in the mount though :)
Gabrielle
See Far Sticks: Elita 103/1575, AOM FLT 105/1000, Bresser 127/1200 BV, Nočný stopár 152/1200, Vyrobené doma 70/700, Stellarvue NHNG DX 80/552, TAL RS 100/1000, Vixen SD115s/885
EQ: TAL MT-1, Vixen SXP, SXP2, AXJ, AXD
Az/Alt: AYO Digi II, Stellarvue M2C, Argo Navis encoders on both
Tripods: Berlebach Planet (2), Uni 28 Astro, Report 372, TAL factory maple, Vixen ASG-CB90, Vixen AXD-TR102
Diagonals: Astro-Physics, Baader Amici, Baader Herschel, iStar Blue, Stellarvue DX, Tak prism, TAL, Vixen
Eyepieces: Antares to Zeiss (1011110)
The only culture I have is from yogurt
Image
User avatar
seer
Saturn Ambassador
Articles: 0
Offline
Posts: 372
Joined: Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:24 am
4
Location: Johnstown, Pennsylvania, USA
Status:
Offline

Re: Getting around design flaws

#7

Post by seer »


Lady Fraktor wrote: Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:16 pm Does position it, clamp mount, do alignment not work?
Most of these do not need to be perfectly level or pointing precisely north.
Usually close will get it working.

A interesting idea to help remove slack in the mount though :)
Yes I could get things lined up but when I tighten that knob it throws it all out of whack. I want and need things to be precise as possible.
Donald
Tasco BRK Essentials Model: 169735 7x35, Celestron Cometron 7x50, Bushnell 10x50 Legacy WP, Oberwerk 15x70 LW, Meade Infinity 60mm AZ Refractor, Bushnell Deep Space 3 inch Reflector, Meade Polaris 80mm EQ Refractor, Meade Polaris 114mm Reflector.
User avatar
GCoyote United States of America
Local Group Ambassador
Articles: 0
Offline
Posts: 2708
Joined: Mon May 13, 2019 2:53 am
4
Location: Laurel, MD, USA
Status:
Offline

Re: Getting around design flaws

#8

Post by GCoyote »


So what I think is happening is the end of the screw for that knob is either a) not ground flat b) not aligned to/centered on the axis of the az rotation or both. So when you try to tighten it, one edge grabs and turns the surface it is supposed to be holding.

If it's the first one, you might want to take it out and look at the end to see if it is flat. If not, you might be able to fix your problem with a little bit of filing.
Any metaphor will tear if stretched over too much reality.
Gary C

Celestron Astro Master 130mm f5 Newtonian GEM
Meade 114-EQ-DH f7.9 Newtonian w/ manual GEM
Bushnell 90mm f13.9 Catadioptric
Gskyer 80mm f5 Alt/Az refractor
Jason 10x50 Binoculars
Celestron 7x50 Binoculars
Svbony 2.1x42 Binoculars
(And a bunch of stuff I'm still trying to fix or find parts for.)
User avatar
Micke187 Sweden
Jupiter Ambassador
Articles: 0
Offline
Posts: 279
Joined: Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:06 pm
4
Location: Sweden
Status:
Offline

TSS Photo of the Day

Re: Getting around design flaws

#9

Post by Micke187 »


havent concidered swaping out the original screw and replace it with a screw you could use a wrench to tightening more then by hand ?
TS-optics photoline 115mm triplet + 1.0x flattener
Guiding: qhy5lll APM 50mm guidescope
Main camera: ASI1600MM pro +Starlight xpress filterwheel (Ha,OIII, SII ,LRGB baader filter)
Mount: heq5 Rowan mod
Zwo EAF focuser
Programs: APT, DSS, PIxinsight, Nebulosity3, Phd2, CDC Eqmod
Post Reply

Create an account or sign in to join the discussion

You need to be a member in order to post a reply

Create an account

Not a member? register to join our community
Members can start their own topics & subscribe to topics
It’s free and only takes a minute

Register

Sign in

Return to “Other "Do It Yourself" projects”