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Too Much Glass

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Last night, Thursday, Oct 3-4, Hankmeister and I were at it again in Penfield.

This was our sky:
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Per usual Henry images while I attempted to take the pleasure tour of the Milky Way.

But here was my problem.
I brought a 3 inch shore gun to a squirrel shoot. You would think I could be very successful, but I brought too much glass !

You might scratch your head and say to yourself...
"Mark is nuts. How can an astronomer bring too much glass into the field?"

Well, a 10 inch SCT with at most a 40mm long plossl aimed at M45 is not altogether satisfying. Granted I was able to look down the throat of the Merope Nebula, count hairs in the Maia Nebula, and split HD23463, but I could not see the Pleiades!

It felt odd to me.

I went on to dig deeply into M42 and although unable to resolve the e and f stars in the Trapizium due I believe to the poor seeing I was able to enjoy the dense nebulosity winging away into NGC1975.

I was regretting I had not loaded my f/6.5 AR152 into the van. I wanted to put the Meade 10" through more paces after flocking and adding the nice dew shield Henry gave me and had not considered the whole picture very well.

I made the best of things and eventually resolved satisfactorily M77, Cetus A, although this target was very dim and intermittant in direct vision. Averted vision was steady on this mag 9 Spiral Galaxy in Cetus. On the plus side I believe I have only caught this once before. I remember it being more of a "thing" on that occasion so it must have been in 2017 when I last had both "seeing" and "transparency" working for me. I know I did not understand these considerations at that time and took them to be normal. I have since been school in the gymnasium of scintillating stars and foggy light scattered skies. At least I can intelligently complain now, although it never seems to change the sky no matter how I might be provoked to curse it. 😊

As I worked my Meade I also took some pleasure from the Theta 1 and Theta 2, Tau a and b, the double stars in the middle of the Haydes cluster in Taurus. These two were very sharp and color contrasted to the surrounding field of the Haydes. They resolved a fire blue color, similar to the fire blueing on a classic firearm. That is what the color reminded me of. It was almost a whitish fire blue. They were visually dominant in this contrast and a nice view for me.

The final view and a remarkable one to my was a nebula I stumbled over in my attempt to catch a visual of the HorseHead very near Alnitak. Here is where my frustration mounted.

As I mentioned earlier, I had chained myself to the field of view in the glass at hand. This precluded any broader view so as to identify this nebulosity. The binoculars, Swaro 10X30, which I always bring out could not resolve this object. I did a sketch.
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I have since searched my Atlases and can find no star pattern to match. The stars in the nebulous field must be over mag 9.

I may sound a bit spiky here in my report but I did enjoy myself. And Henry and I ate apples and almonds as our snack. I wish I had brought coffee as well. The outing for me lasted from 10 pm Oct 3 to 3:45 am Oct 4. At the end, although I loathed packing up with another hour of potentially good sky, I was becoming disoriented and dizzy.

So that is my report for Thursday. Oct 3-4 2019

Thank you.
I hope you have been able to get out !
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Re: Too Much Glass

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So, you got a little "disoriented and dizzy", eh?

That's what you get for eating that last apple and chasing it down with almonds and having too much glass and having too much fun on top of that, sir! Heh.

BTW, what do you think of those images of the Trapezium we shot through your "big glass" right before you tore down? I thought they were decent for an afterthought. You ought to post one.
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Awesome that you two are able to be "in the field" together!
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Too much glass - no way. In fact not enough glass. You went out armed with only your driver (your big gun), you should have also taken a 5-iron, a wedge, and a putter. Meaning, at the very least, you should have taken a pair of binos with you.

Glad you had fun, cheers,
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JayTee wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2019 5:58 am Too much glass - no way. In fact not enough glass. You went out armed with only your driver (your big gun), you should have also taken a 5-iron, a wedge, and a putter. Meaning, at the very least, you should have taken a pair of binos with you.

Glad you had fun, cheers,
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Well said, TJ.
Indeed !

I have learned my lesson. 😊
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Hi Mark,

Its really nice to have a good friend to share your hobby with. It would be really nice to have someone to talk with and share views.

My son is staying with us for a few months and he does come out and visit me when I'm setting the scope up and later when I'm imaging. Its really nice to share some talk about night sky stuff under the night sky!

Enjoy and please continue to share your outings!

Thanks,
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Juno16 wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2019 11:26 am Hi Mark,

Its really nice to have a good friend to share your hobby with. It would be really nice to have someone to talk with and share views.

My son is staying with us for a few months and he does come out and visit me when I'm setting the scope up and later when I'm imaging. Its really nice to share some talk about night sky stuff under the night sky!

Enjoy and please continue to share your outings!

Thanks,
Jim
Thank you Jim.
I hope my posts are not boring.
I enjoy sharing the times with other similar minded folk.
I hope you have clear skies.
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Ok. You win Henry. 😊

The Trapizium and some nebulosity. 8 sec at 1600..

A CRAZY shot, from the hip, through the f/10 Meade SCT. Image scale for our conditions was rediculous, wind, bad seeing, and two old duffer neanderthals trying to figure out how to use the remote on the camera. 😊
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Nice reporting, Mark!

Ah, 2017! How I miss the skies of 2017. 2018 started the downward spiral here and 2019 has suckled hind teat so far. Hopefully we both have clear vision in 2020 (see what I did there?)

Anyway, congrats on the night to both yourself and Henry!
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bladekeeper wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2019 2:57 am Nice reporting, Mark!

Ah, 2017! How I miss the skies of 2017. 2018 started the downward spiral here and 2019 has suckled hind teat so far. Hopefully we both have clear vision in 2020 (see what I did there?)

Anyway, congrats on the night to both yourself and Henry!
2020 vision will be a fine thing Bryan.
We are due. 😊
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So is wishing for clear skies for 2020 akin to receiving new astro gear in the mail? The cloud-gods will hear you and make you pay for the blasphemy!

Trepidatiously,
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Very fine report Mark!

At least you had your 10 x 30 binoculars at hand. I now appreciate the value of binoculars after RTMC 2019.

Had a look at M27 with a 8-10" SCT at that star party; first time I was able see the central star (around mag. 13.8).

Haven't had my scopes out since May - should at least take a look at the planets.
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JayTee wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2019 3:50 am So is wishing for clear skies for 2020 akin to receiving new astro gear in the mail? The cloud-gods will hear you and make you pay for the blasphemy!

Trepidatiously,
JT
I defy the cloud god ! 😊
2020 vision !
Yessss!
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terrynak wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2019 4:00 am Very fine report Mark!

At least you had your 10 x 30 binoculars at hand. I now appreciate the value of binoculars after RTMC 2019.

Had a look at M27 with a 8-10" SCT at that star party; first time I was able see the central star (around mag. 13.8).

Haven't had my scopes out since May - should at least take a look at the planets.
Thank you Terry.

I do hope you can get out under some satisfying skies soon.
It is one of the most refreshing things I do.
And yes, binoculars are true friends.😊
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Interesting. I was going to try for M77 from home, but if it was barely visible at Penfield, I'm not going to see jack.
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pakarinen wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:17 pm Interesting. I was going to try for M77 from home, but if it was barely visible at Penfield, I'm not going to see jack.
It was very dim.
I am going to try it again with my 152 frac. This week if the weather holds.
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Hi Mark. Another fun read report from you. But, you can never have enough good quality glass.
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Makuser wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:33 pm Hi Mark. Another fun read report from you. But, you can never have enough good quality glass.
:greetings-clappingorange:
Of course one can never have too much glass.😊

I always want MORE!
Thank you Marshall.
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Haha! The only time there is "too much glass" is when it is bone-cracking cold outside, and the telescope never gets down to the ambient air temperature. The scope can't catch up with the falling mercury, or the observer freezes to death before equilibrium is attained!
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:lol: "Two duffer Neanderthals"

Funny when you think about the fact they must have seen the Pleiades and Merope too, thousands of years ago. I wonder what they were thinking about it, I think a special meaning, maybe the beginning of the Winter-season or even much deeper thoughts...
I don't think they were philosophizing about too much glass....

Thanks for your nice and readable report.
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