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Started warming up my sauna around 8 PM. Well, the "bastu" (the quite underpowered electric stove).
I'm starting to run low on sauna-wood, and now that's warmer, the inadequate warmth doesn't feel that bad. Brought some beer and sausages in foil to be heated on the stove - a tradition from the 50's (I think). Half fried, half steamed.

At around 9 PM I brought my sauna-telescope out and did some checks, now that it was clear and the moon was well visible. I just had to try, because this is the last night with astro dark
this spring - generous 37 minutes of it. Tomorrow night, no more astro dark.

First I used 20 mm super-what to get the moon to the view. Then I changed to Radian 3 mm. Pretty
sharp image, although not much contrast - probably, because the sun was still up.
Tried with 3 mm Radian and the lighter moon filter (ND96-03), but that just made the contrast a little bit worse.
Then I tried the 4 mm Radian. Pretty much the same than with the 3 mm except slightly bigger part of the moon with shrunken details.
This is the first time I got to try the Radians. Good, but heavy lumps of glass. The friction based altitude-holding gave up a bit as the draw tube came out of the focuser. Well they are heavy (~300g) compared to the other eyepieces (~50g) selected for use this time.

The 3 mm Radian proved, that the mount is quite good (regardless...). The vibrations from touching the focuser, died almost immediately.

It has been exceptionally warm day, so the sauna got ready exceptionally fast.
At 10 PM it was ready. I was not in hurry, because the moon would have been the only thing visible. The civil twilight started at 9:45 PM and the nautical at 10:48 PM. The astro dark started at 01:04 AM.

At 10:15 PM, after I put some goodies for the dog to have something to do while I'm in sauna, I was ready to go.

The first löylys were warmer than I expected. This time my old 10.5 kW Harvia electric stove did better than I expected.

Then cooling-off. There was still nothing to see in the sky, except the moon.
Back to löyly.

During the next cooling-off, still not dark enough. Went to the house and got my camera. Took a couple of pictures.
My cool-off place:
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A view from the cool-off place (still some snow left):
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and the moon (by now):
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Sorry for the quality, but it was hard without a tripod.
Now I was getting cold. Back to löyly.

I could smell that the sausages were ready. It's not that precise, 10 minutes more or less doesn't really mean anything when it comes to sausages on a stove. Some good löylys and out to dressing room with the sausages. Sausages, mustard and beer - nice snack. Back to löyly.

At the beginning of the next cool-off I realized, that it had become darker. I could spot Leo immediately. Many other stars had emerged and the big dipper was right above. I decided to have another look to Leo's neck (Algieba) again. With 6 mm BCO I saw a brighter star and a dimmer star to the east (FOW-wise) from the brighter. But considering that Leo was already diving behind trees in, maybe, 40° angle, that makes the dimmer to the NE (FOV-wise) from the brighter. With my tube and a diagonal, that means that the dimmer is really to NW from the brighter. Run inside to get the 3 mm Radian, and it showed the same. I saw 3 interference rings around both stars and the middle rings touched each other. The colour looked yellowish-orangish, but hard to say. The 3 mm Radian was very picky about the focusing. While in house, I checked that it was 11:40 PM and the thermometer showed +4°C outside.
Had to take a bush-pee before going to löyly (yes, it's possible here), and on my way I saw that a rowan had started to make leaves. Maybe the summer will come after all.
Back to löyly. The stove had had enough time to get itself together again, so I got quite nice löyly again. The stove was doing amazingly well considering how underpowered it is. The sauna of this size would need an electric stove of around 25 kW, but that would mean changing the stove and all the electrics between it and the delivery lines, including the underground cable between the main building and the auxiliary building.

During the next cool-off I had to go to the house again - I run out of note paper. The good side in the light nights is that you don't need any artificial light for walking.
Back to löyly.

During the next cool-off I tried to find the M51. It's hard because the handle of big dipper is so close to the zenith. And due to the light night, I couldn't see any "guide stars" with naked eyes.
I replaced the red dot finder with the straight 6 x 30 finder that I replaced with a 9 x 50 RACI on the VX12. I was hoping for enough aperture to see some "guide stars", but all I saw was bluish-gray background with one star here another star there. And my neck started to disagree. I was also feeling a bit cold again - back to löyly.

During the next cool-off, tried M51 again, and failed. Just too close to zenith, and too light night. The handle of the big dipper pointed to a bright star. Didn't see enough stars to figure out the constellation, but decided to have a look - I suspected it to be Arcturus.
Started with 20 mm "super-what", then 6 mm BCO. Only the 3 mm Radian gave out that the diffraction pattern looked suspicious. It looked like a close double - too close to actually split, but obviously the Airy-disk was elongated, like two merged Airy-disks, but I couldn't quite be sure.
Getting cold again - back to löyly.

During the next cool-off I looked to the east and saw Cygnus lying on its side, but from Lyra I only saw Vega, Sulafat and Sheliak. Just sat and listened to nothing. No birds no cars no other people. Back to löyly.

When I stepped out to cool off again, I realized that the night is over. Even the big dipper had disappeared. A couple of stars here and there but too sparse to tell the constellations. Brought the scope and optics in the house, and went back for last löyly. Then washed, and as the tradition requires, threw a good löyly and left a can of beer for the sauna-elf. (You don't want to piss-off your sauna-elf, believe me!) And that's it. It was 2:55 when I got in. Still a quick walk with the dog and then to bed.
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Quite the interesting report Juha. Certainly highlights the issues of observing at the more extreme latitudes. I have been as far north as about 58 deg (Gothenborg) so I understand the lack of astro dark after a certain point. That is why I am quite thankful that here we have 6 hrs of astro dark even on our shortest night this year (21 June). I enjoyed your story and your routine for enjoying the outdoors and night sky.
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kt4hx wrote: Sat May 07, 2022 2:01 pm Quite the interesting report Juha. Certainly highlights the issues of observing at the more extreme latitudes. I have been as far north as about 58 deg (Gothenborg) so I understand the lack of astro dark after a certain point. That is why I am quite thankful that here we have 6 hrs of astro dark even on our shortest night this year (21 June). I enjoyed your story and your routine for enjoying the outdoors and night sky.
I wasn't sure how people might feel about my astronomy report mixed with a "saunology report". :lol:
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turboscrew wrote: Sat May 07, 2022 2:08 pm
kt4hx wrote: Sat May 07, 2022 2:01 pm Quite the interesting report Juha. Certainly highlights the issues of observing at the more extreme latitudes. I have been as far north as about 58 deg (Gothenborg) so I understand the lack of astro dark after a certain point. That is why I am quite thankful that here we have 6 hrs of astro dark even on our shortest night this year (21 June). I enjoyed your story and your routine for enjoying the outdoors and night sky.
I wasn't sure how people might feel about my astronomy report mixed with a "saunology report". :lol:

Oh I think people like hearing about how others pursue astronomy in their own unique environment. You do what you do, I do what I do and they do what they do. Our commonality is the love of the night sky. :)
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I sympathize with you Juha on the lack of observing time at a northerly latitude. I recall salmon fishing in Alaska when I was 20 in the summer and never seeing a dark sky. Best it got was kind of dusky. Once a week on Saturday we would come back to port at the harbor at Pt. Moller in the Aleutians and have a large bonfire coupled with an enormous beer bash. During the week it was work up to 72 hours straight with just a few catnaps as the salmon were running and there were nets to attend to. Sold most of our catch to Nichiro Seafoods of Japan whose tender ships had large suction houses to vacuum up all the fish from the deck.

The sauna and observing combo sounds really good! Better luck with M51 whenever you can catch it!
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kt4hx wrote: Sat May 07, 2022 3:13 pm Oh I think people like hearing about how others pursue astronomy in their own unique environment. You do what you do, I do what I do and they do what they do. Our commonality is the love of the night sky. :)
Well said! And we're all friends here!!

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That was a smartly planned session Juha! Even if astronomy portion was challenging you still got sauna, beer and sausages. Sounds like quality time. :)
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A good example of combining two healthy activities , amateur astronomy and sauna. (I'll forget about the sausages ) Pity the nights are already too light for serious deepsky at your latitude.
Nice report! :D
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John Baars wrote: Sat May 07, 2022 9:28 pm (I'll forget about the sausages )
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Nice sauna-night, I bet not many do it like you.😊
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Most. Bizarre. Report. Ever. :D To be honest, sounds like a great combination what with the sauna-cooked sausages, beer and stars! :lol: Shame the light nights are kicking in though - there's just another week left for us before there's zero astro-dark here as well until the end of July. :(
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davesellars wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 7:27 pm Most. Bizarre. Report. Ever. :D To be honest, sounds like a great combination what with the sauna-cooked sausages, beer and stars! :lol: Shame the light nights are kicking in though - there's just another week left for us before there's zero astro-dark here as well until the end of July. :(
Well, now you know what kind of activity it is, when you observe during sauna. :lol:
I plan to stick more to the astronomy from now on.
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Hi Juha. A very interesting fun read report. And you illustrate the concept of amateur astronomy viewing. You do what you can when and how you can. Thanks for your report Juha and the best of wishes on your next astronomy adventure.
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turboscrew wrote: Tue May 10, 2022 12:24 pm Well, now you know what kind of activity it is, when you observe during sauna. :lol:
I plan to stick more to the astronomy from now on.
Most of my neighbors don't quite comprehend the joy of rolling around (mostly) naked in a snowbank. Ah well, it's their loss.
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I'm not into sauna but astro, beer, and sausages sound like a great combo to me.
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GCoyote wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 1:09 am I'm not into sauna but astro, beer, and sausages sound like a great combo to me.
Transparency is poor here, but tomorrow is another day. ;) The sauna stories are evoking reminiscing about hot springs in Japan.
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Thanks Juha!
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Skysafari 6 Pro, Astro Pixel Processor, Pixinsight - using Mac tablet and ASIair pro to run the AP rig.

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Re: Another report - well, sort of

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Lol, I like your style, I got a real kick out of this! I see the snow in your yard you mentioned, we are WAY past that. Great post!
I’ve learned a lot since I knew it all.
150mm Orion Mak-Cass, Orion StarSeeker IV GoTo mount, Telrad.
Orion 10 & 23mm (set 1.25), Explore Scientific 9 & 18mm, 2x GSO Barlow, just purchased 2” Orion twist diagonal, GSO 32mm plossl and Agena 8-24 zoom.
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