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02/27/21

Location: home, Bortle 6.0
Equipment: Stelarvue 102ED on SW AZGti mount, set of Vixen SLV EPs.

When someone thinks of winter sky, Orion and Sirius/Canis Major come to mind. The eyes and scopes naturally gravitate to their recognizable star patterns. The area around is devoid of bright stars and looks unappealing. Yet it still contains some interesting targets. I have dedicated the evening to the seldom visited constellations of Lepus, Columba, and Caelum. I have started with Caelum since it had the shortest window of visibility.

Caelum doubles
BVD 48 – 6.8, 8.7, 8.9, ab52”, ac99.5” – attractive triple with brighter yellow main flanked by equal orange stars. SLV 25mm (29x).
SKF 811 A,BC – 7.3, 7.3, 149.9” – wide pair of identical white stars. SLV 25mm (29x).

Lepus doubles
I have already visited this constellation in spring 2019 and winter 2020. From my new home I can reach lower to the south, which has opened another set of doubles for me.

HJ 3759 – 5.9, 7.3, 26.5”, yellow, white – nicely presented at low power. SLV 25mm (29x).

HJ 3780 (BU 321) – 6.7, 8.9, 9.6, 7.9, 8.3, 11.2, 10.9, ac89.3”, ae75.6”, af133.9”, ag59.6”, cd1.4”, ci52.4”, – a must see attractive multiple system which has it all. At low power (SLV 25mm, 29x) one is presented with a neat pattern of four multicolor stars in the empty field: A – pure bright white (I call it snow-white :)), C – bluish, E – yellow, F – silver. Digging deeper (SLV 6mm, 116x) resolves fainter grayish I component. Finally, at 286x (SLV 2.5mm) C and D are partially split. On a good night I could resolve with SV102ED stars down to mag 12. This time the air was humid, scattering the light from nearly full Moon, which brought the detection cutoff to slightly above mag 11. As a result, I could not resolve component G and few other faint doubles this evening.

HDO 77 – 6.9, 7.9, 11.3, ab11.4”, ac32.7” – AB – white unequal pair, SLV 25mm (29x). Could not detect C.
HJ 3788 – 7.6, 9.2, 26”, white, blue – nice contrast. SLV 25mm (29x).
HJ 3798 – 8.2, 8.8, 15.5”, white, yellowish – nicely framed with SLV 25mm (29x).
BU 94 – 5.7, 8.2, 2.3”, yellow, silver – partial split with SLV 2.5mm (286x).

Columba doubles
HJ 3732 – 7.2, 7.5, 85.6”, orange pair. SLV 25mm (29x).
HJ 3760 AB – 7.8, 8.4, 7.4”, yellow, blue. Nice colors. SLV 25mm (29x).
HJ 3857 – 5.7, 9.8, 6.9, ab13.1”, ac63.5” – AC – yellow and white (SLV 25mm, 29x), AB – FAIL.
HJ 3858 – 6.4, 7.6, 8.2, ab134.4”, bc3.8” – AB – orange, bluish (SLV 25mm, 29x), BC – tight clean split with SLV 6mm (119x).
SHY 185 AB, 6.4, 7.3, 287.5”, white, yellowish. SLV 25mm (29x).
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Diagonals: Baader: BBHS mirror, Zeiss Spec T2 prism, Clicklock dielectric; TeleVue: Evebrite dielectric; AltairAstro: 2" prism.
Filters: Lumicon: DeepSky, UHC, OIII, H-beta; Baader: Moon & SkyGlow, Contrast Booster, UHC-S, 6-color set; Astronomik: UHC.
Solar: HA: Lunt 50mm single stack, W/L: Meade Herschel wedge.

Observing: DSOs: 3106 (Completed: Messier, Herschel 1, 2, 3. In progress: H2,500: 2180, S110: 77). Doubles: 2437, Comets: 34, Asteroids: 257
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It seems seeing double is working out well for you from home Andrey! :) Well done.

Agree that for mid-northern observers, constellations such as Lepus, Columba and Caelum may seem less appealing on the surface. However, if one does enough poking around, and depending upon what you are looking for and what you have to work with, all constellations have something worthy of expending some observing time in.
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What a nice evening out Bigz!

You spotted some really nice doubles. HJ 3780 sounds especially fine! I really need to check that out.

That SV scope was certainly a wise acquisition. Glad that you are getting it out.

Thanks for the wonderful report!
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thx for the nice report .
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Thanks Alan, Jim and Jean-Yves!

@Juno16 Indeed, SV102ED is just the right size for doubles, and such a joy to use!
Scopes: Stellarvue: SV102ED; Celestron: 9.25" EdgeHD, 8" SCT, 150ST, Onyx 80ED; iOptron: Hankmeister 6" Mak; SW: 7" Mak; Meade: 80ST.
Mounts: SW: SkyTee2, AzGTi; iOptron: AZMP; ES: Twilight I; Bresser: EXOS2; UA: MicroStar.
Binos: APM: 100-90 APO; Canon: IS 15x50; Orion: Binoviewer, LG II 15x70, WV 10x50, Nikon: AE 16x50, 10x50, 8x40.
EPs: Pentax: XWs & XFs; TeleVue: Delites, Panoptic & Plossls; ES: 68, 62; Vixen: SLVs; Baader: BCOs, Aspherics, Mark IV.
Diagonals: Baader: BBHS mirror, Zeiss Spec T2 prism, Clicklock dielectric; TeleVue: Evebrite dielectric; AltairAstro: 2" prism.
Filters: Lumicon: DeepSky, UHC, OIII, H-beta; Baader: Moon & SkyGlow, Contrast Booster, UHC-S, 6-color set; Astronomik: UHC.
Solar: HA: Lunt 50mm single stack, W/L: Meade Herschel wedge.

Observing: DSOs: 3106 (Completed: Messier, Herschel 1, 2, 3. In progress: H2,500: 2180, S110: 77). Doubles: 2437, Comets: 34, Asteroids: 257
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Thanks for sharing!

What star catalog are you using? I don’t recognize any of the star designations that you used. My ignorance for sure.

Thanks.
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The Wave Catcher wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:46 pm Thanks for sharing!

What star catalog are you using? I don’t recognize any of the star designations that you used. My ignorance for sure.

Thanks.
Thanks Steve! I use Washington Double Stars (WDS) catalog maintained by the United States Naval Observatory, the most complete and trusted database for multiple stars. Here is a link to the nice search engine for WDS

https://www.stelledoppie.it/index2.php?iddoppia=27335

You can easily filter doubles by constellation, magnitude, separation, etc. and create observing lists. To find the doubles in the sky I use SkySafari Pro phone app. It has WDS catalog built in.
Scopes: Stellarvue: SV102ED; Celestron: 9.25" EdgeHD, 8" SCT, 150ST, Onyx 80ED; iOptron: Hankmeister 6" Mak; SW: 7" Mak; Meade: 80ST.
Mounts: SW: SkyTee2, AzGTi; iOptron: AZMP; ES: Twilight I; Bresser: EXOS2; UA: MicroStar.
Binos: APM: 100-90 APO; Canon: IS 15x50; Orion: Binoviewer, LG II 15x70, WV 10x50, Nikon: AE 16x50, 10x50, 8x40.
EPs: Pentax: XWs & XFs; TeleVue: Delites, Panoptic & Plossls; ES: 68, 62; Vixen: SLVs; Baader: BCOs, Aspherics, Mark IV.
Diagonals: Baader: BBHS mirror, Zeiss Spec T2 prism, Clicklock dielectric; TeleVue: Evebrite dielectric; AltairAstro: 2" prism.
Filters: Lumicon: DeepSky, UHC, OIII, H-beta; Baader: Moon & SkyGlow, Contrast Booster, UHC-S, 6-color set; Astronomik: UHC.
Solar: HA: Lunt 50mm single stack, W/L: Meade Herschel wedge.

Observing: DSOs: 3106 (Completed: Messier, Herschel 1, 2, 3. In progress: H2,500: 2180, S110: 77). Doubles: 2437, Comets: 34, Asteroids: 257
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Very nice Bigzmey, some nice doubles there.
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Lady Fraktor wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:01 pm Very nice Bigzmey, some nice doubles there.
Thanks Gabby!
Scopes: Stellarvue: SV102ED; Celestron: 9.25" EdgeHD, 8" SCT, 150ST, Onyx 80ED; iOptron: Hankmeister 6" Mak; SW: 7" Mak; Meade: 80ST.
Mounts: SW: SkyTee2, AzGTi; iOptron: AZMP; ES: Twilight I; Bresser: EXOS2; UA: MicroStar.
Binos: APM: 100-90 APO; Canon: IS 15x50; Orion: Binoviewer, LG II 15x70, WV 10x50, Nikon: AE 16x50, 10x50, 8x40.
EPs: Pentax: XWs & XFs; TeleVue: Delites, Panoptic & Plossls; ES: 68, 62; Vixen: SLVs; Baader: BCOs, Aspherics, Mark IV.
Diagonals: Baader: BBHS mirror, Zeiss Spec T2 prism, Clicklock dielectric; TeleVue: Evebrite dielectric; AltairAstro: 2" prism.
Filters: Lumicon: DeepSky, UHC, OIII, H-beta; Baader: Moon & SkyGlow, Contrast Booster, UHC-S, 6-color set; Astronomik: UHC.
Solar: HA: Lunt 50mm single stack, W/L: Meade Herschel wedge.

Observing: DSOs: 3106 (Completed: Messier, Herschel 1, 2, 3. In progress: H2,500: 2180, S110: 77). Doubles: 2437, Comets: 34, Asteroids: 257
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The Wave Catcher wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:46 pm Thanks for sharing!

What star catalog are you using? I don’t recognize any of the star designations that you used. My ignorance for sure.

Thanks.
To add to Andrey's response, here is a link to a page showing a summary of 98 different double star catalogues out of the nearly 800 catalogues that are incorporated into the WDS. This should help in identifying the designations you might run across.

https://www.handprint.com/ASTRO/CatAudit.html
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Mounts: ES Twilight-II and Twilight-I
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ES 82° 18mm || Pentax XW 70° 10mm, 7mm and 5mm || barlows
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Nicely done Andrey, glad to see you got some time out! Quite the haul there as well :D

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kt4hx wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:30 pm
The Wave Catcher wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:46 pm Thanks for sharing!

What star catalog are you using? I don’t recognize any of the star designations that you used. My ignorance for sure.

Thanks.
To add to Andrey's response, here is a link to a page showing a summary of 98 different double star catalogues out of the nearly 800 catalogues that are incorporated into the WDS. This should help in identifying the designations you might run across.

https://www.handprint.com/ASTRO/CatAudit.html
That's a handy reference Alan. Thanks! With multiple components annotations can get confusing. As an example 15 Mon system contain components from 4 historical catalogs.

https://www.stelledoppie.it/index2.php?iddoppia=27335

The proper way would be to go with WDS ID, but they are not easily recognizable. If I state in my report that I have observed 06410+0954, I would get blank stares. STF 950 is much better. :)
Scopes: Stellarvue: SV102ED; Celestron: 9.25" EdgeHD, 8" SCT, 150ST, Onyx 80ED; iOptron: Hankmeister 6" Mak; SW: 7" Mak; Meade: 80ST.
Mounts: SW: SkyTee2, AzGTi; iOptron: AZMP; ES: Twilight I; Bresser: EXOS2; UA: MicroStar.
Binos: APM: 100-90 APO; Canon: IS 15x50; Orion: Binoviewer, LG II 15x70, WV 10x50, Nikon: AE 16x50, 10x50, 8x40.
EPs: Pentax: XWs & XFs; TeleVue: Delites, Panoptic & Plossls; ES: 68, 62; Vixen: SLVs; Baader: BCOs, Aspherics, Mark IV.
Diagonals: Baader: BBHS mirror, Zeiss Spec T2 prism, Clicklock dielectric; TeleVue: Evebrite dielectric; AltairAstro: 2" prism.
Filters: Lumicon: DeepSky, UHC, OIII, H-beta; Baader: Moon & SkyGlow, Contrast Booster, UHC-S, 6-color set; Astronomik: UHC.
Solar: HA: Lunt 50mm single stack, W/L: Meade Herschel wedge.

Observing: DSOs: 3106 (Completed: Messier, Herschel 1, 2, 3. In progress: H2,500: 2180, S110: 77). Doubles: 2437, Comets: 34, Asteroids: 257
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Thefatkitty wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:54 pm Nicely done Andrey, glad to see you got some time out! Quite the haul there as well :D

All the best,
Thanks Mark! In turn I do enjoy your walkabout stories. :)
Scopes: Stellarvue: SV102ED; Celestron: 9.25" EdgeHD, 8" SCT, 150ST, Onyx 80ED; iOptron: Hankmeister 6" Mak; SW: 7" Mak; Meade: 80ST.
Mounts: SW: SkyTee2, AzGTi; iOptron: AZMP; ES: Twilight I; Bresser: EXOS2; UA: MicroStar.
Binos: APM: 100-90 APO; Canon: IS 15x50; Orion: Binoviewer, LG II 15x70, WV 10x50, Nikon: AE 16x50, 10x50, 8x40.
EPs: Pentax: XWs & XFs; TeleVue: Delites, Panoptic & Plossls; ES: 68, 62; Vixen: SLVs; Baader: BCOs, Aspherics, Mark IV.
Diagonals: Baader: BBHS mirror, Zeiss Spec T2 prism, Clicklock dielectric; TeleVue: Evebrite dielectric; AltairAstro: 2" prism.
Filters: Lumicon: DeepSky, UHC, OIII, H-beta; Baader: Moon & SkyGlow, Contrast Booster, UHC-S, 6-color set; Astronomik: UHC.
Solar: HA: Lunt 50mm single stack, W/L: Meade Herschel wedge.

Observing: DSOs: 3106 (Completed: Messier, Herschel 1, 2, 3. In progress: H2,500: 2180, S110: 77). Doubles: 2437, Comets: 34, Asteroids: 257
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Bigzmey wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:57 pm
kt4hx wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:30 pm
The Wave Catcher wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:46 pm Thanks for sharing!

What star catalog are you using? I don’t recognize any of the star designations that you used. My ignorance for sure.

Thanks.
To add to Andrey's response, here is a link to a page showing a summary of 98 different double star catalogues out of the nearly 800 catalogues that are incorporated into the WDS. This should help in identifying the designations you might run across.

https://www.handprint.com/ASTRO/CatAudit.html
That's a handy reference Alan. Thanks! With multiple components annotations can get confusing. As an example 15 Mon system contain components from 4 historical catalogs.

https://www.stelledoppie.it/index2.php?iddoppia=27335

The proper way would be to go with WDS ID, but they are not easily recognizable. If I state in my report that I have observed 06410+0954, I would get blank stares. STF 950 is much better. :)
Yeah, pretty much any type of object has a certain level of confusion based on appearances in differing lists and catalogues. Cross-referencing is a science unto itself. :)

I agree that listing double stars by their WDS identifier would both simplify and confuse things. However, we tend to favor historical references as they are more comfortable and familiar, and also show respect to the forerunners of observational astronomy.

As an example of the profusion of designations, when I say terms such as M51 or the Whirlpool Galaxy, or even NGC 5194, most would know immediately what object I am referring to. However, if I were to say any of the below identifiers for the same object, those who know what I am referring to drop dramatically! :lol:

ARP 085 NED01
UGC 08493
IRAS F13277+4727
IRAS 13277+4727
CGCG 246-008
CGCG 1327.8+4727
MCG +08-25-012
B3 1327+474C
2MASX J13295269+4711429
2MASXi J1329524+471151
VV 403
VV 001a
PGC 047404
UZC J132952.1+471144
11HUGS 339
87GB 132747.8+472723
LDCE 0867 NED137
PGC1 0047404 NED001
HOLM 526A
NSA 143546
KPG 379A
AKARI J1329524+471142
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Mounts: ES Twilight-II and Twilight-I
EPs: AT 82° 28mm UWA || TV Ethos 100° 21mm and 13mm || Vixen LVW 65° 22mm ||
ES 82° 18mm || Pentax XW 70° 10mm, 7mm and 5mm || barlows
Filters (2 inch): DGM NPB || Orion Ultra Block, O-III and Sky Glow || Baader HaB
Primary Field Atlases: Uranometria All-Sky Edition and Interstellarum Deep Sky Atlas
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kt4hx wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:27 pm
Bigzmey wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:57 pm
kt4hx wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:30 pm

To add to Andrey's response, here is a link to a page showing a summary of 98 different double star catalogues out of the nearly 800 catalogues that are incorporated into the WDS. This should help in identifying the designations you might run across.

https://www.handprint.com/ASTRO/CatAudit.html
That's a handy reference Alan. Thanks! With multiple components annotations can get confusing. As an example 15 Mon system contain components from 4 historical catalogs.

https://www.stelledoppie.it/index2.php?iddoppia=27335

The proper way would be to go with WDS ID, but they are not easily recognizable. If I state in my report that I have observed 06410+0954, I would get blank stares. STF 950 is much better. :)
Yeah, pretty much any type of object has a certain level of confusion based on appearances in differing lists and catalogues. Cross-referencing is a science unto itself. :)

I agree that listing double stars by their WDS identifier would both simplify and confuse things. However, we tend to favor historical references as they are more comfortable and familiar, and also show respect to the forerunners of observational astronomy.

As an example of the profusion of designations, when I say terms such as M51 or the Whirlpool Galaxy, or even NGC 5194, most would know immediately what object I am referring to. However, if I were to say any of the below identifiers for the same object, those who know what I am referring to drop dramatically! :lol:

ARP 085 NED01
UGC 08493
IRAS F13277+4727
IRAS 13277+4727
CGCG 246-008
CGCG 1327.8+4727
MCG +08-25-012
B3 1327+474C
2MASX J13295269+4711429
2MASXi J1329524+471151
VV 403
VV 001a
PGC 047404
UZC J132952.1+471144
11HUGS 339
87GB 132747.8+472723
LDCE 0867 NED137
PGC1 0047404 NED001
HOLM 526A
NSA 143546
KPG !
AKARI J1329524+
Yeh, those are all "Geek" to me!
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Re: Down from Orion

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MistrBadgr wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:21 pm
kt4hx wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:27 pm
Bigzmey wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:57 pm

That's a handy reference Alan. Thanks! With multiple components annotations can get confusing. As an example 15 Mon system contain components from 4 historical catalogs.

https://www.stelledoppie.it/index2.php?iddoppia=27335

The proper way would be to go with WDS ID, but they are not easily recognizable. If I state in my report that I have observed 06410+0954, I would get blank stares. STF 950 is much better. :)
Yeah, pretty much any type of object has a certain level of confusion based on appearances in differing lists and catalogues. Cross-referencing is a science unto itself. :)

I agree that listing double stars by their WDS identifier would both simplify and confuse things. However, we tend to favor historical references as they are more comfortable and familiar, and also show respect to the forerunners of observational astronomy.

As an example of the profusion of designations, when I say terms such as M51 or the Whirlpool Galaxy, or even NGC 5194, most would know immediately what object I am referring to. However, if I were to say any of the below identifiers for the same object, those who know what I am referring to drop dramatically! :lol:

ARP 085 NED01
UGC 08493
IRAS F13277+4727
IRAS 13277+4727
CGCG 246-008
CGCG 1327.8+4727
MCG +08-25-012
B3 1327+474C
2MASX J13295269+4711429
2MASXi J1329524+471151
VV 403
VV 001a
PGC 047404
UZC J132952.1+471144
11HUGS 339
87GB 132747.8+472723
LDCE 0867 NED137
PGC1 0047404 NED001
HOLM 526A
NSA 143546
KPG !
AKARI J1329524+
Yeh, those are all "Geek" to me!
Well I am familiar with a few of them, such as the ARP (Halton Arp), UGC (Uppsala Galaxy Catalogue), IRAS (Infrared Astronomical Satellite), CGCG (Catalogue of Galaxies and Clusters of Galaxies), MCG (Morphological Catalogue of Galaxies), VV (Vorontsov-Velyaminov), PGC (Principle Galaxy Catalogue) and HOLM (Erik Holmberg). However, I don't know the galaxy's designation within those off the top of my head. The others, while I may have seen some in passing, are largely unknown to me. There have been so many studies of the sky, each with their own name(s) that are geared to the scientific community and for the most part not really of importance to our day to day hobby activities.
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HUGS sound like a really friendly one. I may have to check it out.
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MistrBadgr wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:39 pm HUGS sound like a really friendly one. I may have to check it out.
Indeed it does. Here you go: http://www.astrodeep.eu/hugs/
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Re: Down from Orion

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Great evening with the double stars Andrey! To be honest I have never looked for anything in Columba or Caelum, pretty much too low for me behind the trees. I can just catch Lepus and M79 the globular cluster and then comet Panstarrs I think it was....
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The OP inspired me to look at some of the doubles in the post. I did so last evening.

Bu 94 (WDS 05496-1429) m 5,7, 8.2, sep 2.3, PA 165 deg. The seeing down low would not allow resolution of this unequal pair, even though I tried various powers up to 243 x with my 6" f/8 apo for many minutes. I may try again soon if I get the chance.

HJ 3857 AB (WDS 06240-3642) m 5.7, 9.8 sep 13", PA 255 deg. I stared at this one at length with a power of 173, then with 203x, did not see the companion, then switched to 135x and immediately saw the tiny pinprick of light. Then, also saw it at 81x. Sometimes, in poor seeing, less is more, I guess. Star C, m 6.9, is some 63" distant.

HJ 3858 BC (WDS 06255-3504) m 7.6, 8.2, sep 3.9" at PA 310 deg. This one was easy at 173x. Star A, m 6.4, is 134" distant.
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