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What do you guys think about this eVscope? Small enough to put in a backpack, but 100 times more powerful than traditional scopes it's size.

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cough, cough.. bulls*** sneeze... excuse me...

They have been trying to make this work for years now, it is a camera in a telescope shaped body that keeps updating the image to enhance it.
A bit of an expensive trick and false claims.
Nothing can exceed its maximum resolution so 100x larger is written by either the Skywatcher or TeleVue marketing teams. ;)
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Lady Fraktor wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:07 am cough, cough.. bulls*** sneeze...
I am trying to understand how such a telescope is possible. Maybe the original image is stacked within seconds buy some kind of camera.
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As I stated above, it really is not even a telescope.
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Per their site statement:
Unistellar’s Enhanced Vision is a patent-pending technology that is based on the accumulation of light over short periods of time using a low light sensor, as well as on our proprietary algorithms of image processing that run on an on-board calculation module. The resulting amplified image is projected at infinite focus into the eye of the observer with 1,000,000:1 contrast ratio, creating a genuine and live experience of sky observation.
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Lady Fraktor wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:16 am Per their site statement:
Unistellar’s Enhanced Vision is a patent-pending technology that is based on the accumulation of light over short periods of time using a low light sensor, as well as on our proprietary algorithms of image processing that run on an on-board calculation module. The resulting amplified image is projected at infinite focus into the eye of the observer with 1,000,000:1 contrast ratio, creating a genuine and live experience of sky observation.
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Get a EAA set up for 25% of the cost and enjoy now. :)
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Refractordude wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:29 am What do you guys think about this eVscope? Small enough to put in a backpack, but 100 times more powerful than traditional scopes it's size.


Here are the specifications:

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I still don't know what the resolution of the EP OLED monitor is.
But yes, you'll look at a monitor and not directly receive photons from another galaxy.

The concept of image sharing is very similar to this: https://www.astroshop.eu/telescopes/vao ... na/p,63162
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When I see this type of equipment, I immediately parallel the cheating in a maze game by starting at the end instead of the beginning. To do this kind of astrophotography I prefer to sit comfortably in my office in front of the pc monitor watching the pictures taken by Hubble
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Maybe the EV scope missed its chance or maybe not but the Vaonis seems to be a serious piece of gear. Truth is, many new visual astronomers are disappointed by how little the human eye can see through a regular telescope. And many new astrophotographers are disappointed by how hard it is to set up and get an image that is worth the work. People are dropping like flies out of this hobby for those reasons. So IMHO there definitely is a market for these types of devices. It will attract the instant gratification crowd, so they may not last long. On the other hand it just makes common sense to have a commercial version of what many APers takes years to achieve putting everything together themselves (autoguider, plate solving, autofocus, derotator). Plus, Alt/Az is mechanically better, overcoming its AP limitations is a challenge that can only be overcome by good software supported tracking methodology.
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How many have they sold?
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pakarinen wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:33 pm How many have they sold?
A total of zero.
They have been collecting money for this project since 2014/ 15, delivery was supposed to be 2017 and the site now says spring 2020.
As per the website they have collected of $2 million to create this thing already.
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SkyHiker wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:08 am It will attract the instant gratification crowd, so they may not last long.
Exactly, expect to see some used ones up for sale soon :D
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Ok, so no venture capital, just crowd sourcing and 6 years in development. Won't be seeing them on "Shark Tank" anytime soon I bet.

Meh, maybe they can pull it off; time will tell.
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UlteriorModem wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:38 pm
SkyHiker wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:08 am It will attract the instant gratification crowd, so they may not last long.
Exactly, expect to see some used ones up for sale soon :D
It will be a slim crowd. Most of beginners think $300 for a scope is too much.
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If you go on their website you will see interesting discussions in the FAQ section.
It will not work well on bright objects such as the main planets and Moon (detail washes out) but it should let you see Pluto.
Image magnification is fixed at 50x, 100x, 150x as it does not use an eyepiece.
When going through the questions they really dodge around calling it a actual telescope and or camera.

Personally with the limitations of the system it seems more like a night vision system with a low light camera installed.
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You can do the same thing now with an inexpensive refractor and camera running a live stack. All they've done is put it in a pretty package and made sure you can't use it visually. I've also wondered from the beginning if the images you'd be looking at are live at all.
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Don Alvarez wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:26 pm ...I've also wondered from the beginning if the images you'd be looking at are live at all.
I've wondered the same thing. Or more precisely, I've wondered if the "acquired" image of a given object might not be "enhanced" or augmented with images from an internal database. I know that makes me sound suspicious, but the whole setup, where you peer at a tiny display inside a tube that looks like but is not in fact a telescope eyepiece, a display attached to a bigger tube that looks like a telescope but is really a cylindrical camera/processor unit, has always reminded me of a childhood toy, the Viewmaster.
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Don Alvarez wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:26 pm You can do the same thing now with an inexpensive refractor and camera running a live stack. All they've done is put it in a pretty package and made sure you can't use it visually. I've also wondered from the beginning if the images you'd be looking at are live at all.
If you forget about having to do polar alignment, plate solving, auto-guiding, focusing, framing and rotating the camera on the Alt/Az mount, and setting up the system to be controlled from Stellarium, then yes, you are right, it's about the same.
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I was thinking about this today and wondered where did they come up with the 100 times more powerful metric?
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