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I want to buy myself premium binoculars.
the choice is very difficult, there are a lot of very good binoculars.
Orion, Amp, Amp Lunt, Vixen and Oberwerk.

I am looking for 100mm binoculars, I also know they will be very heavy so I need a solid tripod.

also I do not know if you have tips for handling because I already know that it will not be easy to hold if not impossible due to the weight.

ps, I would like to be able to change the eyepieces.

I forgot one thing.
is 90 or 45 degrees preferable?


merci , thank you .
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The APM 100mm 90 degree are highly regarded, but imported. There are local vendors, but the return policies have a restocking fee. If it was in my budget I would get this Orion 100mm today.

https://www.telescope.com/Orion-GiantVi ... 132191.uts

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my big question, 45 or 90 degrees.
I wonder what is the most comfortable.
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messier 111 wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:34 pm my big question, 45 or 90 degrees.
I wonder what is the most comfortable.
I would go with 90 degrees for zenith views. Check for all binocular posts by Ozman. He is very knowledgeable about binoculars.

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Refractordude wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 6:08 pm
messier 111 wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:34 pm my big question, 45 or 90 degrees.
I wonder what is the most comfortable.
I would go with 90 degrees for zenith views. Check for all binocular posts by Ozman. He is very knowledgeable about binoculars.

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many thx .
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Refractordude wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:41 pm There is a forum member that owns one of these Oberwerks listed. Left click the image.

https://oberwerk.com/product/oberwerk-b ... telescope/

https://oberwerk.com/product/oberwerk-bt-100xl-ed/

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many thx again , very helpfull . :D
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one thing is certain, i just tried the 10x50 binoculars with a tripod they are straight-throughs, not practical. so I just realized that it takes an absolutely angle, especially with 25 x 100 binoculars.
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messier 111 wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:55 am one thing is certain, i just tried the 10x50 binoculars with a tripod they are straight-throughs, not practical. so I just realized that it takes an absolutely angle, especially with 25 x 100 binoculars.
On the morning of December 25th, I will be buying myself something to aid in my love of stargazing. It just may be the Orion Paragon-Plus Binocular Mount for my 7x50 binoculars.

https://www.telescope.com/Orion-Paragon ... p/5379.uts
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Be sure to have this or a similar mount. Ordinary phototripods won't work, for balancing reasons.
Refractors in frequency of use : *SW Evostar 120ED F/7.5 (all round ), * Vixen 102ED F/9 (vintage), both on Vixen GPDX.
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Commonly used bino's : *Jena 10X50 , * Canon 10X30 IS, *Swarovski Habicht 7X42, * Celestron 15X70, *Kasai 2.3X40
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Fork Mount...APM or Orion or ?
I think I have a preference for the apm.
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messier 111 wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 4:46 pm Fork Mount...APM or Orion or ?
I think I have a preference for the apm.
The Orion has a 1/4" threaded socket. The APM has a 3/8" threaded socket. I would go with the APM fork mount.
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made my choice , APM Fork Mount for large Binoculars .

now the tripod , manfrotto 161mk2b .

oberwerk tr3 for xl .

berleback uni - 19
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Berlebach is known here in Europe for its rigidity. But I think all three of them will function. You will need the weight tolerance of 44 Lbs.
An extendable central column is extremely useful. It prevents making the tripodlegs longer/ shorter with every change of target.
Moreover it is very useful if someone else who is much longer or shorter wants to have a look. You can change the height without re-targeting, the target stays in the field of view. We use that feature for children at our local observatory. The public is always amazed about it, but it works!
Refractors in frequency of use : *SW Evostar 120ED F/7.5 (all round ), * Vixen 102ED F/9 (vintage), both on Vixen GPDX.
GrabnGo on Alt/AZ : *SW Startravel 102 F/5 refractor( widefield, Sun, push-to), *OMC140 Maksutov F/14.3 ( planets).
Most used Eyepieces: *Panoptic 24, *Morpheus 14, *Leica ASPH zoom, *Zeiss barlow, *Pentax XO5.
Commonly used bino's : *Jena 10X50 , * Canon 10X30 IS, *Swarovski Habicht 7X42, * Celestron 15X70, *Kasai 2.3X40
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John Baars wrote: Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:21 pm Berlebach is known here in Europe for its rigidity. But I think all three of them will function. You will need the weight tolerance of 44 Lbs.
An extendable central column is extremely useful. It prevents making the tripodlegs longer/ shorter with every change of target.
Moreover it is very useful if someone else who is much longer or shorter wants to have a look. You can change the height without re-targeting, the target stays in the field of view. We use that feature for children at our local observatory. The public is always amazed about it, but it works!
hi John ,
thank you very much for your return to my question.
I am looking at Berleback's tripods precisely.

I wonder which one is best for me . I don't see much difference between the two

https://www.berlebach.de/en/?bereich=details&id=242

https://www.berlebach.de/en/?bereich=details&id=236

is this a must = leg spread stop .

thx .
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As you have noticed the 17 is 1,5 lbs. lighter, 2cm shorter packing dimensions, 2 cm higher fully extended, 60 dollars more expensive. I don't know how tall you are, but the 19 would be enough for me ( I am a bit under 6 feet).
Refractors in frequency of use : *SW Evostar 120ED F/7.5 (all round ), * Vixen 102ED F/9 (vintage), both on Vixen GPDX.
GrabnGo on Alt/AZ : *SW Startravel 102 F/5 refractor( widefield, Sun, push-to), *OMC140 Maksutov F/14.3 ( planets).
Most used Eyepieces: *Panoptic 24, *Morpheus 14, *Leica ASPH zoom, *Zeiss barlow, *Pentax XO5.
Commonly used bino's : *Jena 10X50 , * Canon 10X30 IS, *Swarovski Habicht 7X42, * Celestron 15X70, *Kasai 2.3X40
Rijswijk Public Observatory: * Astro-Physics Starfire 130 f/8, * 6 inch Newton, * C9.25, * Meade 14 inch LX600 ACF, *Lunt.
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John Baars wrote: Thu Dec 24, 2020 9:02 am As you have noticed the 17 is 1,5 lbs. lighter, 2cm shorter packing dimensions, 2 cm higher fully extended, 60 dollars more expensive. I don't know how tall you are, but the 19 would be enough for me ( I am a bit under 6 feet).
do i really need this , do i really need this, leg spread stop.?
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As you have noticed too, the Oberwerk has no crank to hoist the central column. For binoculars+mount weighing 16+17= 33 pounds it is essential to have such a device.
Just imagine loosening the central column with your right hand in order to hoist the instrument, leaving your left hand with the job of doing the actual hoisting. I have been there when I was 20 years younger, did not not work well. It made me reluctant in choosing targets higher up. The crank is so much more easier and comfortable.

As for the leg spread stop, a simple chain between the three legs will do on flat terrain too. The Berlebach has the possibility of different angles from 20 degrees. For even more stable and lower positions. Even for one leg, if circumstances demand. If I was that far in the decision making process, I would add it.

There is no doubt about the necessity for such a heavy duty tripod. Once behind the binoculars you'll be grateful you did not save budget on the tripod. With a total weight of 16+17+ 16.5 (tripod) = 49.5 lbs it is crystal clear you have to set it up in two or three steps anyway. So there is no use to choose a less heavier ( and less stable) tripod.

Smooth operation is a not to be underestimated and very essential factor. As I have learned the hard way.
Refractors in frequency of use : *SW Evostar 120ED F/7.5 (all round ), * Vixen 102ED F/9 (vintage), both on Vixen GPDX.
GrabnGo on Alt/AZ : *SW Startravel 102 F/5 refractor( widefield, Sun, push-to), *OMC140 Maksutov F/14.3 ( planets).
Most used Eyepieces: *Panoptic 24, *Morpheus 14, *Leica ASPH zoom, *Zeiss barlow, *Pentax XO5.
Commonly used bino's : *Jena 10X50 , * Canon 10X30 IS, *Swarovski Habicht 7X42, * Celestron 15X70, *Kasai 2.3X40
Rijswijk Public Observatory: * Astro-Physics Starfire 130 f/8, * 6 inch Newton, * C9.25, * Meade 14 inch LX600 ACF, *Lunt.
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John Baars wrote: Thu Dec 24, 2020 4:36 pm As you have noticed too, the Oberwerk has no crank to hoist the central column. For binoculars+mount weighing 16+17= 33 pounds it is essential to have such a device.
Just imagine loosening the central column with your right hand in order to hoist the instrument, leaving your left hand with the job of doing the actual hoisting. I have been there when I was 20 years younger, did not not work well. It made me reluctant in choosing targets higher up. The crank is so much more easier and comfortable.

As for the leg spread stop, a simple chain between the three legs will do on flat terrain too. The Berlebach has the possibility of different angles from 20 degrees. For even more stable and lower positions. Even for one leg, if circumstances demand. If I was that far in the decision making process, I would add it.

There is no doubt about the necessity for such a heavy duty tripod. Once behind the binoculars you'll be grateful you did not save budget on the tripod. With a total weight of 16+17+ 16.5 (tripod) = 49.5 lbs it is crystal clear you have to set it up in two or three steps anyway. So there is no use to choose a less heavier ( and less stable) tripod.

Smooth operation is a not to be underestimated and very essential factor. As I have learned the hard way.
thank you for your precious help.
I wish you a merry christmas and a happy new year to you and your family .jean-yves .
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EYEPIECES, Delos , Delite and 26mm Nagler t5 , 2 zoom Svbony 7-21 , Orion Premium Linear BinoViewer .

FILTER , Nebustar 2 tele vue . Apm solar wedge . contrast booster 2 inches .

Mounts , berno mack 3 with telepod , cg-4 motorized , eq6 pro belt drive .

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