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What kind of mounts have you used that won't cause severe neck damage if you try to look to somewhere near zenith?
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I use a tripod with one leg retracted so it functions as a bipod. I have a tilt / pan head on top of that. I recline back in a chair to look close to zenith.

An option I explored was a lookdown bino mount. The binos face down toward a front surface mirror. The view is flipped though and mirrors are pricey, so I shelved the idea.
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I was thinking of using my old Manfrotto tripod, but I wonder...
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A bit extreme... :-D
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A parallelogram mount and zero gravity chair are a great combination for binocular viewing.
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I have the Farpoint Universal Mount and Smith-Victor Propod Tripod. I use a Boss 4" thick cushion medical chair. I do not observe at zenith. I wait until objects move to the 10/2 o'clock position. However, with a zero gravity chair you will be good to go at zenith.

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turboscrew wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:35 pm
A bit extreme... :-D
I have played with this mount: I repaired 3 of them that were at the observatory in Arkaroola in South Oz. Hands down the most comfortable mount ever: when you adjust the binos perfectly it feels like you are flying in space. Not exactly portable though... Sadly they aren't being made anymore: they were a project by a guy who lived just north of Adelaide.

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pakarinen wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 1:56 pm I use a tripod with one leg retracted so it functions as a bipod. I have a tilt / pan head on top of that. I recline back in a chair to look close to zenith.

An option I explored was a lookdown bino mount. The binos face down toward a front surface mirror. The view is flipped though and mirrors are pricey, so I shelved the idea.

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I have played with this too. Realistically you need a 1/2 to 1/4 wave mirror for higher power binos (like my 22x60's), and they are very expensive. However, you might be able to find surplus mirrors, especially in the US. At one stage there were some commercial ones made with surplus periscope mirrors. They worked quite well.

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I have one of those surplus mirrors that is supposed to be flat to 1/4 wave. Does this mount really work? I have yet to build it. It's on the projects todo list, I just haven't gotten to it yet. Life keeps getting in the way

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JayTee wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:40 am I have one of those surplus mirrors that is supposed to be flat to 1/4 wave. Does this mount really work? I have yet to build it. It's on the projects todo list, I just haven't gotten to it yet. Life keeps getting in the way

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It works fine: even with the 22x binos the stars are nice and sharp, but the problem is aiming the binos because they are looking at right angles to the target. I solved this by placing a green laser to point "up" to the target. No sore neck that way. :)

I mount the whole thing onto a standard photographic tripod, and it does the job OK.
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pakarinen wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 1:56 pm I use a tripod with one leg retracted so it functions as a bipod. I have a tilt / pan head on top of that. I recline back in a chair to look close to zenith.

An option I explored was a lookdown bino mount. The binos face down toward a front surface mirror. The view is flipped though and mirrors are pricey, so I shelved the idea.

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DeanD wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:18 am I have played with this too. Realistically you need a 1/2 to 1/4 wave mirror for higher power binos (like my 22x60's), and they are very expensive. However, you might be able to find surplus mirrors, especially in the US. At one stage there were some commercial ones made with surplus periscope mirrors. They worked quite well.

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Somebody wrote about using two elliptical mirrors - supposed to be much cheaper - but then you have potential issues with finding a flat substrate, collimation, and do on.
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pakarinen wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:27 am
DeanD wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:18 am I have played with this too. Realistically you need a 1/2 to 1/4 wave mirror for higher power binos (like my 22x60's), and they are very expensive. However, you might be able to find surplus mirrors, especially in the US. At one stage there were some commercial ones made with surplus periscope mirrors. They worked quite well.

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Somebody wrote about using two elliptical mirrors - supposed to be much cheaper - but then you have potential issues with finding a flat substrate, collimation, and do on.
Tried that too: I wanted to use my 25x100's in the way as most flats, including periscope mirrors, are too small for the 100's! ;)

You nailed the problems in one...
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Eyepieces: way too many (is that possible?), but I do like my TV 32mm plossl, 13mm Nagler T6, 27mm Panoptic and 3-6mm Nagler zoom, plus Fujiyama 18mm and 25mm orthos and Tak 7.5mm LE
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I wonder how two secondary mirrors with holders would work, if put close to the binoculars' objectives...?
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Cameras: ZWO ASI 294MM Pro, Omegon veLOX 178C
OAG: TS-Optics TSOAG09, ZWO EFW 7 x 36 mm, ZWO filter sets: LRGB and Ha/OIII/SII
Explore Scientific HR 2" coma corrector, Meade x3 1.25" Barlow, TV PowerMate 4x 2"
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Took the easy and cheap way, but at last I'm expecting to see something else but shaky whoknowswhat.
(Probably grey clouds?)
My old Manfrotto and 10x50 binoculars, now with Omegon binoculars/tripod adapter.
I also have strongish painkillers for my neck.
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Telescope: OrionOptics XV12, Mount: CEM120, Tri-pier 360 and alternative dobson mount.
Grab 'n go: Omegon AC 102/660 on AZ-3 mount
Eyepieces: 26 mm Omegon SWAN 70°, 15 mm TV Plössl, 12.5 mm Baader Morpheus, 10 mm TV Delos, 6 mm Baader Classic Ortho, 5 mm TV DeLite, 4 mm and 3 mm TV Radians
Cameras: ZWO ASI 294MM Pro, Omegon veLOX 178C
OAG: TS-Optics TSOAG09, ZWO EFW 7 x 36 mm, ZWO filter sets: LRGB and Ha/OIII/SII
Explore Scientific HR 2" coma corrector, Meade x3 1.25" Barlow, TV PowerMate 4x 2"
Some filters (#80A, ND-96, ND-09, Astronomik UHC)
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turboscrew wrote: Sat Feb 06, 2021 4:10 pm Took the easy and cheap way, but at last I'm expecting to see something else but shaky whoknowswhat.
(Probably grey clouds?)
My old Manfrotto and 10x50 binoculars, now with Omegon binoculars/tripod adapter.
I also have strongish painkillers for my neck.

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If you are lying back in a "zero gravity" chair or similar you can try using 2 legs of the tripod: set them either side of your chair; and just let the binos "fall" back to your eyes. It wont be perfect, but it will be pretty stable and your neck will thank you. ;)

- set the lot on a large "lazy susan" and you will never want to get up!
Telescopes: 12" f5 dob, Celestron CPC800, 150mmf5 Celestron achro, Tak TSA102, TV76, ETX125...
Binos: Steiner Wildlife XP 10x26, Swarovski 8x30 Habicht, Zeiss SFL 8x40, Vanguard Endeavour 10.5x45, Fuji FMTR-SX 10x50, Tak 22x60, Orion Resolux 15x70
Eyepieces: way too many (is that possible?), but I do like my TV 32mm plossl, 13mm Nagler T6, 27mm Panoptic and 3-6mm Nagler zoom, plus Fujiyama 18mm and 25mm orthos and Tak 7.5mm LE
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DeanD wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:31 am
turboscrew wrote: Sat Feb 06, 2021 4:10 pm Took the easy and cheap way, but at last I'm expecting to see something else but shaky whoknowswhat.
(Probably grey clouds?)
My old Manfrotto and 10x50 binoculars, now with Omegon binoculars/tripod adapter.
I also have strongish painkillers for my neck.

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If you are lying back in a "zero gravity" chair or similar you can try using 2 legs of the tripod: set them either side of your chair; and just let the binos "fall" back to your eyes. It wont be perfect, but it will be pretty stable and your neck will thank you. ;)

- set the lot on a large "lazy susan" and you will never want to get up!
I guess, when the evening comes - and -17°C (1.4°F), something might eventually make me wanting to get up... :lol:
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Telescope: OrionOptics XV12, Mount: CEM120, Tri-pier 360 and alternative dobson mount.
Grab 'n go: Omegon AC 102/660 on AZ-3 mount
Eyepieces: 26 mm Omegon SWAN 70°, 15 mm TV Plössl, 12.5 mm Baader Morpheus, 10 mm TV Delos, 6 mm Baader Classic Ortho, 5 mm TV DeLite, 4 mm and 3 mm TV Radians
Cameras: ZWO ASI 294MM Pro, Omegon veLOX 178C
OAG: TS-Optics TSOAG09, ZWO EFW 7 x 36 mm, ZWO filter sets: LRGB and Ha/OIII/SII
Explore Scientific HR 2" coma corrector, Meade x3 1.25" Barlow, TV PowerMate 4x 2"
Some filters (#80A, ND-96, ND-09, Astronomik UHC)
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turboscrew wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 6:37 pm
DeanD wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:31 am
turboscrew wrote: Sat Feb 06, 2021 4:10 pm Took the easy and cheap way, but at last I'm expecting to see something else but shaky whoknowswhat.
(Probably grey clouds?)
My old Manfrotto and 10x50 binoculars, now with Omegon binoculars/tripod adapter.
I also have strongish painkillers for my neck.

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If you are lying back in a "zero gravity" chair or similar you can try using 2 legs of the tripod: set them either side of your chair; and just let the binos "fall" back to your eyes. It wont be perfect, but it will be pretty stable and your neck will thank you. ;)

- set the lot on a large "lazy susan" and you will never want to get up!
I guess, when the evening comes - and -17°C (1.4°F), something might eventually make me wanting to get up... :lol:
Sorry, forgot about the temperature differences! The coldest I have ever experienced in winter viewing is about -2°C... (and the warmest in the summer was 38°C at midnight!)

Happy (warm) viewing,

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Telescopes: 12" f5 dob, Celestron CPC800, 150mmf5 Celestron achro, Tak TSA102, TV76, ETX125...
Binos: Steiner Wildlife XP 10x26, Swarovski 8x30 Habicht, Zeiss SFL 8x40, Vanguard Endeavour 10.5x45, Fuji FMTR-SX 10x50, Tak 22x60, Orion Resolux 15x70
Eyepieces: way too many (is that possible?), but I do like my TV 32mm plossl, 13mm Nagler T6, 27mm Panoptic and 3-6mm Nagler zoom, plus Fujiyama 18mm and 25mm orthos and Tak 7.5mm LE
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DeanD wrote: Tue Feb 09, 2021 12:12 am
turboscrew wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 6:37 pm
DeanD wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:31 am

If you are lying back in a "zero gravity" chair or similar you can try using 2 legs of the tripod: set them either side of your chair; and just let the binos "fall" back to your eyes. It wont be perfect, but it will be pretty stable and your neck will thank you. ;)

- set the lot on a large "lazy susan" and you will never want to get up!
I guess, when the evening comes - and -17°C (1.4°F), something might eventually make me wanting to get up... :lol:
Sorry, forgot about the temperature differences! The coldest I have ever experienced in winter viewing is about -2°C... (and the warmest in the summer was 38°C at midnight!)

Happy (warm) viewing,

Dean
I'm not sure if I've ever experienced temperature over 35°C outside. In sauna, 120°C, though...
- Juha

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