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Hi,

Well I got a chance to test them out tonight - I got a very short break in the clouds around where Jupiter was so I took advantage of it. Sadly, I got a bit more than I bargained for, TWO distinct Jupiters one above the other :( :mad: Before I ordered them I noticed some people in the reviews had similar problems and I was hesitant to order them but there were a lot of good reviews as well

I'm going to send them back to Amazon but I'm not sure I'm going to opt for a replacement pair. I may hold on for a while and get a better quality pair later as I have two car licence plates to renew and insurance renewal coming up in July.......

I hope you have better luck with yours chicagorandy!!!!!!

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TELESCOPES: Celestron Omni XLT 120, Explore Scientific AR102, Orion ST80 Refractors; 8" Skywatcher Dob; Orion Apex 102 Mak; Coronado PST. LENSES: ES 4.7, 6.7, 11, 18 and 30mm 82° EPs; Baader 24mm 68°; Luminos 15mm 82°; Meade 8-24mm Zoom. OTHER: CG4+16" Orion Pier Extension; Celestron Skymaster 20x80 binos etc;
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Hmm...can't say it enough, Oberwerk.
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Ozman wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:51 am Hmm...can't say it enough, Oberwerk.
That's what I was thinking as well when I said I may not get a replacement and wait......

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TELESCOPES: Celestron Omni XLT 120, Explore Scientific AR102, Orion ST80 Refractors; 8" Skywatcher Dob; Orion Apex 102 Mak; Coronado PST. LENSES: ES 4.7, 6.7, 11, 18 and 30mm 82° EPs; Baader 24mm 68°; Luminos 15mm 82°; Meade 8-24mm Zoom. OTHER: CG4+16" Orion Pier Extension; Celestron Skymaster 20x80 binos etc;
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Hey Abb, sorry to hear about your bino's. I've bought a few Celestron bino's over the years, but with the exception of my 8X50's, I've returned them all. Mostly the 15X70 and two out of three 8X50's. I have a set of 8X23 Bushnell's that I bought way back in '92. The sticker says "Optics made in Japan, assembled in China". Jupiter, Saturn, the Moon, bright DSO's....27 years later, I still judge the optical quality of any bino's I buy to these.
I second Ozman, I'm looking at some Oberworks as well. Seems the only thing that might match the optical quality I want!

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Unfortunate, but not surprising. I heard of people sending them back 3 times in a row. That, or learning to collimate.
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Too bad but why not try collimating them? If you search the internet there are many who did this and every post I read said it was easy to do.
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Thanks for the update - I have not yet tried them at a distant object but shall take a short trip to a good vantage point soon with the necessary small screwdriver. The process looks like it could not be simpler or easier. Left/Right adjusted on the left side, Up/Down using the small top screw. Easy-Peasey???? Maybe. I'll report back - beats fiddling with a return and repurchase of these big-boys - lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DQgMtCRmtE

If it works - Yay! - if I fail? Won't be a personal first - lol - and back to Amazon it goes. But definitely worth at least giving it a go to a no-cost DIY alignment. It's GOTTA be less hassle than collimating my old 127EQ beastie.
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I know how to collimate them but the trick is to do them at night looking at a star. I had about a 5 minute break in the clouds if that last night and it may be at least another week or longer before I may get another crack at the sky :( They seemed to be OK when I got them when I looked way down the street but when I pointed them at Jupiter and a couple of nearby stars that's when I saw double :(

I'm starting to lean towards Oberwerk but because of my car insurance and car plates coming up next moth it may be a while. This is the one that has my attention at the moment - https://oberwerk.com/product/oberwerk-2 ... eluxe-iii/

We'll see.......

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TELESCOPES: Celestron Omni XLT 120, Explore Scientific AR102, Orion ST80 Refractors; 8" Skywatcher Dob; Orion Apex 102 Mak; Coronado PST. LENSES: ES 4.7, 6.7, 11, 18 and 30mm 82° EPs; Baader 24mm 68°; Luminos 15mm 82°; Meade 8-24mm Zoom. OTHER: CG4+16" Orion Pier Extension; Celestron Skymaster 20x80 binos etc;
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Too bad Abb. Mine luckily came well collimated but I know it is a frequent occurence. Maybe try collimating them and if that doesn't work I would send them back. And as Ozman says Oberwerks. When I get a pair of 25x100's they definitely will be from Oberwerk.
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I think that together you and I have created some sort of rift in the Space-Time-Weather continuum causing both our geographic locations to sustain unending cloud cover anytime the Sun goes down.

I wish I could do higher level Math or paid more attention to Rajesh Koothrapali on the Big Bang Theory to work it all out on a room-size chalkboard to confirm my theory.
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AbbN wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:36 am Hi,

Well I got a chance to test them out tonight - I got a very short break in the clouds around where Jupiter was so I took advantage of it. Sadly, I got a bit more than I bargained for, TWO distinct Jupiters one above the other :( :mad: Before I ordered them I noticed some people in the reviews had similar problems and I was hesitant to order them but there were a lot of good reviews as well

I'm going to send them back to Amazon but I'm not sure I'm going to opt for a replacement pair. I may hold on for a while and get a better quality pair later as I have two car licence plates to renew and insurance renewal coming up in July.......

I hope you have better luck with yours chicagorandy!!!!!!

Abb
Not so good at all. I'm sure it's a pain but try not to settle at this quality point. make certain you get a good instrument or opt for a more reliable mfg.

I'm still saving up for Oberwerk 25x100's.

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Eyepieces:Meade - 26mm plossl, 12mm Astrometric; GSO (OPT badge) 2" Superview 50mm & 30mm 1.25" 15mm; TMB Planetary Series 9mm, 6mm, & 4mm: 10mm & 23mm 60° that came with the 80mm f11.2
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I'm on my second pair of Skymasters only because I thought exchanging the first pair would get me a better pair. No. But I've been able to adjust them to where they're usable. Next pair will be Obies (if there is a next pair.)
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AbbN wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:56 pm I know how to collimate them but the trick is to do them at night looking at a star. I had about a 5 minute break in the clouds if that last night and it may be at least another week or longer before I may get another crack at the sky :( They seemed to be OK when I got them when I looked way down the street but when I pointed them at Jupiter and a couple of nearby stars that's when I saw double :(

I'm starting to lean towards Oberwerk but because of my car insurance and car plates coming up next moth it may be a while. This is the one that has my attention at the moment - https://oberwerk.com/product/oberwerk-2 ... eluxe-iii/

We'll see.......

Abb
I like your thinking Abb, go big or go home! I owned Oberwerk 15x70 LW before. They are basically quality controlled Celestron 15x70. You put them next to a premium binos or look through them side by side and the difference is clear. If you can save up for a better quality, I would take that route.
Scopes: Stellarvue: SV102ED; Celestron: 9.25" EdgeHD, 8" SCT, 150ST, Onyx 80ED; iOptron: Hankmeister 6" Mak; SW: 7" Mak; Meade: 80ST.
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Binos: APM: 100-90 APO; Canon: IS 15x50; Orion: Binoviewer, LG II 15x70, WV 10x50, Nikon: AE 16x50, 10x50, 8x40.
EPs: Pentax: XWs & XFs; TeleVue: Delites, Panoptic & Plossls; ES: 68, 62; Vixen: SLVs; Baader: BCOs, Aspherics, Mark IV.
Diagonals: Baader: BBHS mirror, Zeiss Spec T2 prism, Clicklock dielectric; TeleVue: Evebrite dielectric; AltairAstro: 2" prism.
Filters: Lumicon: DeepSky, UHC, OIII, H-beta; Baader: Moon & SkyGlow, Contrast Booster, UHC-S, 6-color set; Astronomik: UHC.

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A russian coworker told me one of their proverbs. "The greedy man pays twice." Not saying you're greedy but buy quality and you only need to buy once.

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OTA's: 203mm f10 Meade SCT (LXD75); Antares 80mm Refractor w/William Optics APOGrade f6.9 objective; Orion Starseeker 80 f11.2 Refractor
Mount/tripod's: Meade LXD-75 EQ; Orion Starseeker IV ALT/AZ; Celestron Heavy Duty ALT/AZ Farpoint UBM (Universal Binocular Mount)
Eyepieces:Meade - 26mm plossl, 12mm Astrometric; GSO (OPT badge) 2" Superview 50mm & 30mm 1.25" 15mm; TMB Planetary Series 9mm, 6mm, & 4mm: 10mm & 23mm 60° that came with the 80mm f11.2
Barlows: Orion 2x Shorty; Meade 4000 Series 3x
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AbbN wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:56 pm

I'm starting to lean towards Oberwerk but because of my car insurance and car plates coming up next moth it may be a while. This is the one that has my attention at the moment - https://oberwerk.com/product/oberwerk-2 ... eluxe-iii/
Send the others back, get a refund and put it away. Save a little more and get the ones you're looking at, they are GOOD binoculars!
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Bigzmey wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:39 pm I like your thinking Abb, go big or go home! I owned Oberwerk 15x70 LW before. They are basically quality controlled Celestron 15x70. You put them next to a premium binos or look through them side by side and the difference is clear. If you can save up for a better quality, I would take that route.
True. Here are the Oberwerk 20x80's - https://oberwerk.com/product/oberwerk-2 ... eluxe-iii/ and because of our Canadian dollar value I have to add 25% to that!

And the Celestron 20x80 Pros with similar specs - /

Maybe I should forget the binos since my cheapie Bushnell 10x50 binos (which I got a few years before I got my first scope) work quite well and instead add an ES 40mm 30mm 68° EP to my collection........ or eventually get both :D

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TELESCOPES: Celestron Omni XLT 120, Explore Scientific AR102, Orion ST80 Refractors; 8" Skywatcher Dob; Orion Apex 102 Mak; Coronado PST. LENSES: ES 4.7, 6.7, 11, 18 and 30mm 82° EPs; Baader 24mm 68°; Luminos 15mm 82°; Meade 8-24mm Zoom. OTHER: CG4+16" Orion Pier Extension; Celestron Skymaster 20x80 binos etc;
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I have enough binos, but I'm always looking around for a new pair. Maybe not rational since I do most observing with my scopes, but binos are... intriguing.
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Honestly if you say you know how to collimate them then what is the risk in keeping them until you have clear skies? The SkyMaster 20x80s are a great value IMHO, just doing that relieves you from the worries about spending more money and the hassle of returning them.
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It is annoying to receive something that doesn't work as it should. However, I have 2 pairs of Celestron Skymasters, (different magnifications) and one was fine, and one needed adjusting. It seemed a daunting task to collimate the one that needed adjusting, but it wasn't difficult. Peeling back the rubber seems like you are destroying the binoculars, but it goes back again without any problems. A tiny turn of the screw gave perfect alignment of the 2 optics. It has never needed adjusting again.
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FIXED!

I got a very short break in the sky (thank you merciful?? cloud gods :D ), took out a couple of small screwdrivers and mounted the binos on my tripod, aimed the binos at Jupiter and took a crack at collimating them before sending the back. After 3 attempts I got it!!! And then about 30 seconds later the clouds covered up Jupiter. Oddly I had to re-adjust the diopter for my eye again but that didn't matter.

Wheeeew, close call! I guess they're not going back huh :)

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TELESCOPES: Celestron Omni XLT 120, Explore Scientific AR102, Orion ST80 Refractors; 8" Skywatcher Dob; Orion Apex 102 Mak; Coronado PST. LENSES: ES 4.7, 6.7, 11, 18 and 30mm 82° EPs; Baader 24mm 68°; Luminos 15mm 82°; Meade 8-24mm Zoom. OTHER: CG4+16" Orion Pier Extension; Celestron Skymaster 20x80 binos etc;
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