Telescope Upgrade Advice
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Thank you all for your info. I got my 2 sons interested in getting away from screens with a $100 department store telescope purchased for $20 on Craiglist. I want to upgrade with a $500 budget. I'm looking here and there and saw a video where the presenter liked the SmartStar® Cube-E N114 (among others). I like the portability so I can use it in different places. Plus, I like at least the option to use the GPS when time is short. Does anyone have any experience with that scope or company?
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Re: Telescope Upgrade Advice
Moved this post to it's own thread in hopes that it will garner some advice.
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Re: Telescope Upgrade Advice
Hello and welcome to the forums, I hope you and your sons have fun discovering the skies.
If the telescope does not have included you will need a collimation cap and Cheshire eyepiece (the Cheshire at a minimum) to align the mirrors of the telescope.
Here is a good guide for collimating the mirrors: http://www.astro-baby.com/astrobaby/hel ... reflector/
The included eyepieces are usually quite poor so if you decide to replace them I would recommend theGSO line of Plossl to start, very good and low priced. Something that is rarely said when discussing eyepieces
The GPS is a option that is really not useful with these mounts, it does not improve accuracy of alignments and sometimes takes longer to get information than it takes to input it yourself.
A cellphone will provide all of the information you need to get up and running.
Enjoy the telescope when it arrives, ask if you have any questions and let us know how things went.
A word of advice, set up and play around with it in the daytime so you are not trying to figure things out in the dark.
If the telescope does not have included you will need a collimation cap and Cheshire eyepiece (the Cheshire at a minimum) to align the mirrors of the telescope.
Here is a good guide for collimating the mirrors: http://www.astro-baby.com/astrobaby/hel ... reflector/
The included eyepieces are usually quite poor so if you decide to replace them I would recommend the
The GPS is a option that is really not useful with these mounts, it does not improve accuracy of alignments and sometimes takes longer to get information than it takes to input it yourself.
A cellphone will provide all of the information you need to get up and running.
Enjoy the telescope when it arrives, ask if you have any questions and let us know how things went.
A word of advice, set up and play around with it in the daytime so you are not trying to figure things out in the dark.
Gabrielle
See Far Sticks: Elita 103/1575, AOM FLT 105/1000, Bresser 127/1200 BV, Nočný stopár 152/1200, Vyrobené doma 70/700, Stellarvue NHNG DX 80/552, TAL RS 100/1000, Vixen SD115s/885
EQ: TAL MT-1, Vixen SXP, SXP2, AXJ, AXD
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EQ: TAL MT-1, Vixen SXP, SXP2, AXJ, AXD
Az/Alt: AYO Digi II, Stellarvue M2C, Argo Navis encoders on both
Tripods: Berlebach Planet (2), Uni 28 Astro, Report 372, TAL factory maple, Vixen ASG-CB90, Vixen AXD-TR102
Diagonals: Astro-Physics, Baader Amici, Baader Herschel, iStar Blue, Stellarvue DX, Tak prism, TAL, Vixen
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Re: Telescope Upgrade Advice
Maybe the StarSense refractor will work for you. A forum member has one and gave a good review. Right click the image.
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Just a word in general - I am not opposed to computerized / go-to mounts, but I don't think all the software is mature enough yet to be of satisfactory reliability. Many are the tales of woe posted here and elsewhere. However, when they work, they work very well.
I'd just suggest you consider a rig that has manual back-up capability if things go south. JMO.
I'd just suggest you consider a rig that has manual back-up capability if things go south. JMO.
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The software for our goto telescopes is now going on 10 years old. Surely that is enough time to work out most if not all the bugs. If you thoroughly read the alignment problem posts at least 90% of the time it is operator error. So you can be confident that your goto mount will give you years of good service if you read the directions and ask any additional questions you may have right here on these forums.
I have 5goto mounts and 2 manual mounts and they ALL perform perfectly when operated correctly!
Cheers,
JT
I have 5
Cheers,
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Re: Telescope Upgrade Advice
Thanks to all. I read in a few places that refractors were not as clear in this price range due to the additional cost of lens optics vs mirrors. (sorry if my terminology is not correct)
I'm also looking at Celestron NexStar 130. I do like the ability to use a smartphone because software improvements require no interface connections and might be a bit more frequent.
I'm also looking at Celestron NexStar 130. I do like the ability to use a smartphone because software improvements require no interface connections and might be a bit more frequent.
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In a refractor at least four optical surfaces have to be ground , polished and coated. That takes time. Much time.
In a reflector only two optical surfaces undergo the same treatment. So that is less costly.
Given the same price, the reflector is larger and collects more light. But...a starting astronomer with no experience will hardly see a light gain of 70% however.
Given the same
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A short tube 130 is good Instrument to start, that was my first serious telescope. Celestron SLT bundles generally get good marks around here. you might also consider the 102 refractor. Both would make very good all-around scopes. Some years ago Celestron replaced their old GT line with the new Astro-Fi series, The mounts are a little lighter than the SLT, but you get the sameJHMW2004 wrote: ↑Sat May 09, 2020 4:20 pm Thanks to all. I read in a few places that refractors were not as clear in this price range due to the additional cost of lens optics vs mirrors. (sorry if my terminology is not correct)
I'm also looking at Celestron NexStar 130. I do like the ability to use a smartphone because software improvements require no interface connections and might be a bit more frequent.
This is the best advice, for all manner of endeavors.Lady Fraktor wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 3:45 amA word of advice, set up and play around with it in the daytime so you are not trying to figure things out in the dark.
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Just for clarity, JHMW2004:
Go To- telescope moves on it's own to the selected target, e.g. Celestron SLT line, Meade and several others
Push To- theapp tells you where to point the telescope e.g. Celestron SSE line
If your children are very young, I'd go with aGoTo arrangement as it tracks the target while each person takes a turn looking.
If your children are old enough and handy with apps, Celestron's SSE is a lot of fun to use. Almost like a GPS for the sky.
Go To- telescope moves on it's own to the selected target, e.g. Celestron SLT line, Meade and several others
Push To- the
If your children are very young, I'd go with a
If your children are old enough and handy with apps, Celestron's SSE is a lot of fun to use. Almost like a GPS for the sky.
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Thanks again all. I got extremely lucky and found a second-hand, but unused, Celestron 8SE for $600. I saw it on Ebay from a local person who got it as a gift and didn't like the perceived complexity. Woo hoo!
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Congrats, you're going to love that scope. Plus it will take awesome planetary/lunar images.
Cheers,
JT
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∞ Primary Scopes: #1: Celestron CPC1100 #2: 8" f/7.5 Dob #3: CR150HD f/8 6" frac
∞ AP Scopes: #1: TPO 6" f/9 RC #2: ES 102 f/7 APO #3: ES 80mm f/6 APO
∞ G&G Scopes: #1: Meade 102mm f/7.8 #2: Bresser 102mm f/4.5
∞ Guide Scopes: 70 & 80mm fracs -- The El Cheapo Bros.
∞ Mounts: iOptron CEM70AG, SW EQ6R, Celestron AVX, SLT & GT (Alt-Az), Meade DS2000
∞ Cameras: #1: ZWO ASI294MC Pro #2: 662MC #3: 120MC, Canon T3i, Orion SSAG, WYZE Cam3
∞ Binos: 10X50,11X70,15X70, 25X100 ∞ AP Gear: ZWO EAF and mini EFW and the Optolong L-eXteme filter
∞ EPs: ES 2": 21mm 100° & 30mm 82° Pentax XW: 7, 10, 14, & 20mm 70°
Searching the skies since 1966. "I never met a scope I didn't want to keep."
∞ AP Scopes: #1: TPO 6" f/9 RC #2: ES 102 f/7 APO #3: ES 80mm f/6 APO
∞ G&G Scopes: #1: Meade 102mm f/7.8 #2: Bresser 102mm f/4.5
∞ Guide Scopes: 70 & 80mm fracs -- The El Cheapo Bros.
∞ Mounts: iOptron CEM70AG, SW EQ6R, Celestron AVX, SLT & GT (Alt-Az), Meade DS2000
∞ Cameras: #1: ZWO ASI294MC Pro #2: 662MC #3: 120MC, Canon T3i, Orion SSAG, WYZE Cam3
∞ Binos: 10X50,11X70,15X70, 25X100 ∞ AP Gear: ZWO EAF and mini EFW and the Optolong L-eXteme filter
∞ EPs: ES 2": 21mm 100° & 30mm 82° Pentax XW: 7, 10, 14, & 20mm 70°
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I think you got a great deal. I have an 8SE and I have had lots of fun with it. It does take practice to get it set up and to run it, so don't get discouraged if your first time out is not perfect. The manual is way too brief and leaves out lots of stuff that's good to know. You will want to set the backlash correction, and you'll want to learn how to set the alignment and what direction to slew to a target. You'll eventually want to make some mods, but keep it stock for now. (One mod is to add weight to the tripod to reduce the shakes. A milk jug full of water hung from underneath is an easy way to do this. And don't extend the tripod legs if you can avoid it — same reason.) There is lots of good SE info on Mike Swanson's Nexstar site: https://nexstarsite.com, but don't get bogged down there until you've had some nights with the scope.
Oh, and if your sons are grammar school age, you learn the scope on your own first. They aren't going to stand around while you fiddle with it. Also, for all of you, do some homework on the objects you will see on a given night. Learning about what you are looking at makes it much more fun: the size, distance, brightness, etc.; the history of its discovery, any mythology involved, and so on.
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pakarinen wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 12:00 pm Just a word in general - I am not opposed to computerized / go-to mounts, but I don't think all the software is mature enough yet to be of satisfactory reliability. Many are the tales of woe posted here and elsewhere. However, when they work, they work very well.
I'd just suggest you consider a rig that has manual back-up capability if things go south. JMO.
You gentlemen do realizeJayTee wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 12:19 pm The software for our goto telescopes is now going on 10 years old. Surely that is enough time to work out most if not all the bugs. If you thoroughly read the alignment problem posts at least 90% of the time it is operator error. So you can be confident that your goto mount will give you years of good service if you read the directions and ask any additional questions you may have right here on these forums.
I have 5 goto mounts and 2 manual mounts and they ALL perform perfectly when operated correctly!
Cheers,
JT
These are not new or immature innovation but companies sitting on their bums because the programming is just adequate to get the job done and people keep buying instead of demanding better.
Once you get past basics of Synta, JOC and iOptron and the others in this group, the programming becomes vastly more capable and reliable.
Gabrielle
See Far Sticks: Elita 103/1575, AOM FLT 105/1000, Bresser 127/1200 BV, Nočný stopár 152/1200, Vyrobené doma 70/700, Stellarvue NHNG DX 80/552, TAL RS 100/1000, Vixen SD115s/885
EQ: TAL MT-1, Vixen SXP, SXP2, AXJ, AXD
Az/Alt: AYO Digi II, Stellarvue M2C, Argo Navis encoders on both
Tripods: Berlebach Planet (2), Uni 28 Astro, Report 372, TAL factory maple, Vixen ASG-CB90, Vixen AXD-TR102
Diagonals: Astro-Physics, Baader Amici, Baader Herschel, iStar Blue, Stellarvue DX, Tak prism, TAL, Vixen
Eyepieces: Antares to Zeiss (1011110)
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See Far Sticks: Elita 103/1575, AOM FLT 105/1000, Bresser 127/1200 BV, Nočný stopár 152/1200, Vyrobené doma 70/700, Stellarvue NHNG DX 80/552, TAL RS 100/1000, Vixen SD115s/885
EQ: TAL MT-1, Vixen SXP, SXP2, AXJ, AXD
Az/Alt: AYO Digi II, Stellarvue M2C, Argo Navis encoders on both
Tripods: Berlebach Planet (2), Uni 28 Astro, Report 372, TAL factory maple, Vixen ASG-CB90, Vixen AXD-TR102
Diagonals: Astro-Physics, Baader Amici, Baader Herschel, iStar Blue, Stellarvue DX, Tak prism, TAL, Vixen
Eyepieces: Antares to Zeiss (1011110)
The only culture I have is from yogurt
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Which ones do you think are doing a commendable job? Is there one you like above all others?Lady Fraktor wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 5:55 pm ....
Once you get past basics of Synta, JOC and iOptron and the others in this group, the programming becomes vastly more capable and reliable.
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Mechanically a lot of these mounts are quite good but Losmandy and Astro-Physics are more capable. Take a look at what the Vixen mounts and Starbook 10 offer, truly amazing in comparison.
Then there are firms such as Avalon Instruments, 10 Micron and Software Bisque Paramount MyT
There are a lot of really good mounts available that you do not hear much of because they just work and nobody complains
Even theES EXOS-2 is a step in the right direction for enhancement being open source programming, it is just to bad that they have packaged it with a clone of a clone of a LXD-75.
How well the Losmandy version works I do not know as I have not been paying attention to them lately.
Then there are firms such as Avalon Instruments, 10 Micron and Software Bisque Paramount MyT
There are a lot of really good mounts available that you do not hear much of because they just work and nobody complains
Even the
How well the Losmandy version works I do not know as I have not been paying attention to them lately.
Gabrielle
See Far Sticks: Elita 103/1575, AOM FLT 105/1000, Bresser 127/1200 BV, Nočný stopár 152/1200, Vyrobené doma 70/700, Stellarvue NHNG DX 80/552, TAL RS 100/1000, Vixen SD115s/885
EQ: TAL MT-1, Vixen SXP, SXP2, AXJ, AXD
Az/Alt: AYO Digi II, Stellarvue M2C, Argo Navis encoders on both
Tripods: Berlebach Planet (2), Uni 28 Astro, Report 372, TAL factory maple, Vixen ASG-CB90, Vixen AXD-TR102
Diagonals: Astro-Physics, Baader Amici, Baader Herschel, iStar Blue, Stellarvue DX, Tak prism, TAL, Vixen
Eyepieces: Antares to Zeiss (1011110)
The only culture I have is from yogurt
See Far Sticks: Elita 103/1575, AOM FLT 105/1000, Bresser 127/1200 BV, Nočný stopár 152/1200, Vyrobené doma 70/700, Stellarvue NHNG DX 80/552, TAL RS 100/1000, Vixen SD115s/885
EQ: TAL MT-1, Vixen SXP, SXP2, AXJ, AXD
Az/Alt: AYO Digi II, Stellarvue M2C, Argo Navis encoders on both
Tripods: Berlebach Planet (2), Uni 28 Astro, Report 372, TAL factory maple, Vixen ASG-CB90, Vixen AXD-TR102
Diagonals: Astro-Physics, Baader Amici, Baader Herschel, iStar Blue, Stellarvue DX, Tak prism, TAL, Vixen
Eyepieces: Antares to Zeiss (1011110)
The only culture I have is from yogurt
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