Weird shifting blurryness?? with DSLR and 70mm telescope

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at 10x digital zoom so I can see stuff really close I notice fine details will randomly get blurry and sharp like theres a filter effect of subtle blurryness over stuff
Any idea what would cause that?
its very noticable during the daytime when focusing on something a good distance away. anything with high contrast and subtle contrast features like the grill of an AC window unit

Is my camera doing something weird? or is it the telescope optics or something else?

And it also looks like the object im looking at is subtly shifting around??
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Re: Weird shifting blurryness?? with DSLR and 70mm telescope

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Is your camera on auto focus?
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No i'm using a telescope. there is no autofocus. I mentioned this in the title
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Tamron 18-200mm F3.5-F6.3 II VC lens
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svbony goldline 66 degree 9mm and 6mm + 40mm plossl + 2x barlow.
svbony UHC 1.25 filter + astromania 1.25" O-3 filter + also an svbony H-B filter.
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Turbulence in the atmosphere (seeing)?
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I'm not sure? maybe? is it really that noticable in the daytime? its not even warm out. its a nice cool-ish temperature outside
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svbony goldline 66 degree 9mm and 6mm + 40mm plossl + 2x barlow.
svbony UHC 1.25 filter + astromania 1.25" O-3 filter + also an svbony H-B filter.
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Temperature is irrelevant. And closer to the ground the worse the turbulence gets. I assume your imaging some terrestrial object in the daytime.
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yeah
Svbony SV503 70mm ED F6 420mm FL refractor telescope (New)
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Tamron 18-200mm F3.5-F6.3 II VC lens
canon 50mm STM F1.8
svbony 8-24mm zoom eyepiece
svbony goldline 66 degree 9mm and 6mm + 40mm plossl + 2x barlow.
svbony UHC 1.25 filter + astromania 1.25" O-3 filter + also an svbony H-B filter.
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What you are witnessing is definitely atmospheric motion. This is one of the great bugaboos of this hobby. We are totally at the mercy of the movements of the blanket of air under which we live. And you will notice that the more magnification you use the greater the effect will seem.

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its already pretty bad with no additional magnification with my camera and telescope. If i do 10x digital zoom i can see it undulating and shifting like crazy. making the image seem blurrier than it should be. i have to take like 20 shots and pick out the best one
Svbony SV503 70mm ED F6 420mm FL refractor telescope (New)
Canon EOS 100D/SL1
Tamron 18-200mm F3.5-F6.3 II VC lens
canon 50mm STM F1.8
svbony 8-24mm zoom eyepiece
svbony goldline 66 degree 9mm and 6mm + 40mm plossl + 2x barlow.
svbony UHC 1.25 filter + astromania 1.25" O-3 filter + also an svbony H-B filter.
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realflow100 wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:12 am its already pretty bad with no additional magnification with my camera and telescope. If i do 10x digital zoom i can see it undulating and shifting like crazy. making the image seem blurrier than it should be. i have to take like 20 shots and pick out the best one
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a lot of it thats for sure!
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Canon EOS 100D/SL1
Tamron 18-200mm F3.5-F6.3 II VC lens
canon 50mm STM F1.8
svbony 8-24mm zoom eyepiece
svbony goldline 66 degree 9mm and 6mm + 40mm plossl + 2x barlow.
svbony UHC 1.25 filter + astromania 1.25" O-3 filter + also an svbony H-B filter.
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realflow100 wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:12 am its already pretty bad with no additional magnification with my camera and telescope. If i do 10x digital zoom i can see it undulating and shifting like crazy. making the image seem blurrier than it should be. i have to take like 20 shots and pick out the best one
This is exactly why for deep sky AP we take dozens of frames and then 'stack' them.
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how do you pick out the best frames?
do you have to lower the exposure and look at some of the brightest stars to see what frames have the sharpest and clearest stars or something?
or do you not need to change the exposure?
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Canon EOS 100D/SL1
Tamron 18-200mm F3.5-F6.3 II VC lens
canon 50mm STM F1.8
svbony 8-24mm zoom eyepiece
svbony goldline 66 degree 9mm and 6mm + 40mm plossl + 2x barlow.
svbony UHC 1.25 filter + astromania 1.25" O-3 filter + also an svbony H-B filter.
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No exposure duration remains the same.

The processing software 'looks' at the stars to align the images then integrates them and averages things out.

Some software packages have routines to 'weigh' the frames and allows you to cherry pick the best frames. Or you can do it manually looking at the frames one by one and toss out any real stinkers. Things like star trails, out of focus stars, washed out frames, satellite trails, etc.

Here is a link to some processing software. They are in fact a sponsor of these forums. There is a free trial available.

https://www.startools.org/about

You seem to be at the very bottom of a very steep learning curve. I wish you luck with your endeavors.
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