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Is this a safe way, or could that break something?
Gears OFF, locks ON. Without the counterweight bar and Tri-pier, of course.
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Re: Is this safe way to carry a mount?

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Do not carry a EQ mount with the locks on as any bumping/ vibrations can jam them on causing damage.
Always transport with the locks off. (allow free movement of all parts)

For lifting I would lift from one axis only so you are not bending the two axis towards each other.
How about a HPRC or Pelican case filled with foam instead for transport?
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For anything above light duty grab and go mounts I always disconnect the mount from legs for carrying/transporting. If just want to lift and move short distance I grab it by mount base or pier.
Scopes: Stellarvue: SV102 ED F7; Celestron: 9.25" EdgeHD F10, 8" SCT F10, 6" SCT F10, Omni XLT 150R Achro F5, Onyx 80ED F6.3; Meade: 80ST Achro F5.
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Lady Fraktor wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:05 pm Do not carry a EQ mount with the locks on as any bumping/ vibrations can jam them on causing damage.
Always transport with the locks off.

For lifting I would lift from one axis only so you are not bending the two axis towards each other.
How about a HPRC or Pelican case filled with foam instead for transport?
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I have tried to find big enough case. Haven't found one yet.
The case needs to be 50 cm x 41 cm x 23 cm minimum. Even the biggest Geoptics bag is too small.
There are bigger hard suitcases, but I doubt they can handle 27 kg.
There are bigger boxes, but they tend to be of wrong shape to carry, like 40 cm x 50 cm x 70 cm.
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Re: Is this safe way to carry a mount?

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HPRC or Pelican cases would take the weight but are expensive though you are guaranteed your equipment will survive.

You did not signify your measurements as WxHxD so am not sure if this would work.
I use HPRC cases for overseas air travel and they have survived considerable abuse by many airlines.

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Bigzmey wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:29 pm For anything above light duty grab and go mounts I always disconnect the mount from legs for carrying/transporting. If just want to lift and move short distance I grab it by mount base or pier.
CEM120 weights 27 kg and Tri-pier 19 kg. And there are stairs and doors...
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Lady Fraktor wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:36 pm HPRC or Pelican cases would take the weight but are expensive though you are guaranteed your equipment will survive.
Yes. I happened to find 3 candidates: Peli1610 (~600€), Peli Storm IM2720 (~600€) and HPRC 2710 (~449€).
Now, if I find a seller in Europe... There's one in Finland, but, of course, their web shop is being updated.

Kind of stupid - just for carrying the mount head in and out the house.
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If you signup for the HPRC newsletter you can receive 15% off your purchase.
At least it would cover most of the VAT charge :)
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One problem with hard cases that they add extra few kg. This is why for my 9.25" SCT OTA I have decided to go with a sturdy padded bag and not drop it. :lol:
Scopes: Stellarvue: SV102 ED F7; Celestron: 9.25" EdgeHD F10, 8" SCT F10, 6" SCT F10, Omni XLT 150R Achro F5, Onyx 80ED F6.3; Meade: 80ST Achro F5.
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Diagonals: Baader: BBHS silver mirror, Zeiss Spec T2 prism, Clicklock dielectric; TeleVue: Evebrite dielectric; AltairAstro: Positive lock prism.
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A friend uses a dolly: https://www.astroshop.eu/instruments/as ... r_1_select

His is DIY. He also had to make shallow ramps for either side of the threshold.
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turboscrew wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 6:13 pm Is this a safe way, or could that break something?
I must be getting old, since my first thought was that it doesn't look safe at all; you could hurt your shoulder or lower back!
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I am old and worry that I might hurt myself moving my little Twilight 1 around. I don't know how you guys can do it. 🙃
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Ruud wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:42 pm A friend uses a dolly: https://www.astroshop.eu/instruments/as ... r_1_select

His is DIY. He also had to make shallow ramps for either side of the threshold.
Turboscrew has the same moving issue I have, stairs so a dolly is not that useful. :)
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I would connect mount an tripod with a strap that goes over your shoulders and carry them both at once. It will be much easier because you will be balanced.
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Bigzmey wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:09 pm One problem with hard cases that they add extra few kg. This is why for my 9.25" SCT OTA I have decided to go with a sturdy padded bag and not drop it. :lol:
I was thinking about that too - except that I'd have to make the bag myself. A piece of wood in the bottom and some foam on top of it. Nylon strap handles going under the whole bag. The straps are just P.I.T.A. to sew.
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It's not so much the weight, but the shape. But yes, the cases tend to add about 10 kg to the load to carry.
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turboscrew wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:34 pm
Bigzmey wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:09 pm One problem with hard cases that they add extra few kg. This is why for my 9.25" SCT OTA I have decided to go with a sturdy padded bag and not drop it. :lol:
I was thinking about that too - except that I'd have to make the bag myself. A piece of wood in the bottom and some foam on top of it. Nylon strap handles going under the whole bag. The straps are just P.I.T.A. to sew.
This should work nicely. To reduce the weight and provide extra cushion you can use the office/workshop black foam tiles instead of wood. Just cut to desired size.

Scopes: Stellarvue: SV102 ED F7; Celestron: 9.25" EdgeHD F10, 8" SCT F10, 6" SCT F10, Omni XLT 150R Achro F5, Onyx 80ED F6.3; Meade: 80ST Achro F5.
Mounts: ES: Twilight I; Bresser: EXOS2; SW: SkyTee2, AzGTi; UA: MicroStar.
Binos: Orion: Binoviewers, Little Giant II 15x70, WorldView 10x50, Nikon: Action EX 16x50 & 8x40.
EPs: Pentax: XWs & 2xXFs; TeleVue: Delites, Panoptic & Plossls; ES: 68, 62; Vixen: SLVs; Baader: 2xBCOs, Aspherics, Mark IV, Meade: Plossls.
Diagonals: Baader: BBHS silver mirror, Zeiss Spec T2 prism, Clicklock dielectric; TeleVue: Evebrite dielectric; AltairAstro: Positive lock prism.
Filters: Lumicon: DeepSky, UHC, OIII, H-beta; Baader: Moon & SkyGlow, Contrast Booster, UHC-S, 6-color set; Astronomik: UHC, Orion: UltraBlock, SkyGlow.
Observing: DSOs: 2173 (Completed: Messier, Herschel 1, 2, 3. In progress: H2,500: 1699, S110: 77). Doubles: 1445, Comets: 18, Asteroids: 95
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Bigzmey wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:24 pm
turboscrew wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:34 pm
Bigzmey wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:09 pm One problem with hard cases that they add extra few kg. This is why for my 9.25" SCT OTA I have decided to go with a sturdy padded bag and not drop it. :lol:
I was thinking about that too - except that I'd have to make the bag myself. A piece of wood in the bottom and some foam on top of it. Nylon strap handles going under the whole bag. The straps are just P.I.T.A. to sew.
This should work nicely. To reduce the weight and provide extra cushion you can use the office/workshop black foam tiles instead of wood. Just cut to desired size.

Is there supposed to be an attachment or link?
I wonder if the tiles can keep the bottom flat under 27 kg?

A 40 cm piece of 1x6 wood with some foam on top of it should keep the bottom flat and spread the pressure.
Some foam could be glued on the sides too.
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I can see and click on the link. Let's try this one

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Everyday-Ess ... /336366651

If you stack 2-3 at the bottom it will be flat enough, but wood/foam combo should work well to.
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EPs: Pentax: XWs & 2xXFs; TeleVue: Delites, Panoptic & Plossls; ES: 68, 62; Vixen: SLVs; Baader: 2xBCOs, Aspherics, Mark IV, Meade: Plossls.
Diagonals: Baader: BBHS silver mirror, Zeiss Spec T2 prism, Clicklock dielectric; TeleVue: Evebrite dielectric; AltairAstro: Positive lock prism.
Filters: Lumicon: DeepSky, UHC, OIII, H-beta; Baader: Moon & SkyGlow, Contrast Booster, UHC-S, 6-color set; Astronomik: UHC, Orion: UltraBlock, SkyGlow.
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With the mount weighing 27kg I cannot see foam panels working to carry it around with.
A strong plastic storage container filled with the foam panels would work.
Proper Telescopes: Antares 105 f/15, Bresser 102 f/13.2, Celestron 150 f/8, Stellarvue NHNGDX 80 f/6.9, TAL 100RS f/10, TS 102 f/11, UR 70 f/10, Vixen SD115s f/7.7
Mounts: Berlebach Planet w/ 410mm pier, Celestron AS-GT, Celestron CG-5 w/ Argo Navis & tracking motor, SLT w/ 250mm pier & tripod mods, Manfrotto 028b w/ SV M2C, Mantrotto 055Pro w/ 128RC, Skywatcher EQ-5 w/ dual drives, TAL MT1C w/ wood tripod, Vixen SXP w/ HAL-130 & 200mm half pier
Diagonal: 2" A-P Maxbright, 2" Baader Herschel Wedge (P), 2" Zeiss/ Baader Amici Prism (DX2), 2" Long Perng Amici Prism, 2" Stellarvue DX, 2" TeleVue EverBrite
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