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Quickly glance down at my equipment. Listed is SE Twilight1 alt/az. Any recommendations for a short 80ish refractor that can be kept mounted at all times? I keep that mount by the door for quick peaks when something catches the eye. Been looking at the Orion CT80. Reviews are Ok, and since it will no doubt get banged around a bit being hustled in and outside on the mount the cost is a plus. I would be happy with a sports mans spotting scope but they all come with 45ᵒ diagonals...not conductive to overhead viewing with a 68 year old body. Anything better? ~Input please~ :observer:
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New Orion CT80 has too much plastic in it. I would go with Meade Adventure Scope 80mm which is the same as older beloved Orion ST80.

https://telescopes.net/store/meade-adve ... scope.html

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I second the Meade Adventure Scope.
It's a clone of the original Orion ST80 :)

That said, I believe Orion has added a metal focuser to their scope, the dew shield however is still plastic.

Now, keep in mind a Short Tube refractor is not the best on planets, but will show you great wide field views of deeper stuff. A great Milky Way cruiser :)
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Ylem wrote: Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:47 pm I second the Meade Adventure Scope.
It's a clone of the original Orion ST80 :)

That said, I believe Orion has added a metal focuser to their scope, the dew shield however is still plastic.

Now, keep in mind a Short Tube refractor is not the best on planets, but will show you great wide field views of deeper stuff. A great Milky Way cruiser :)
Reviews say that the new CT80 upgraded focuser has a metal drawtube, but still a plastic body.
The Meade Adventure 80 (and the Infinity 80) seem to be on backorder at many places/everywhere. The remaining clones of the orginal Orion ST80 that I can find are the Skywatcher StarTravel 80, and one from Omegon which looks like having a metal focuser clone but haven't seen reviews of it.
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The StarTravel would be good, the Omegon also.

Last choice I would try the Orion, per the site:
Newly upgraded aluminum rack-and-pinion focuser eliminates drawtube flexure when focusing.

One could always send it back.
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The Orion 80mm f/5 if you just want a widefield sweeper or the Astro-Tech 80mm f/7 if you would like to do some good lunar and planetary as well.
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Ylem wrote: Tue Aug 11, 2020 2:27 am The StarTravel would be good, the Omegon also.

Last choice I would try the Orion, per the site:
Newly upgraded aluminum rack-and-pinion focuser eliminates drawtube flexure when focusing.

One could always send it back.
Recent review, indicates focuser body still plastic, drawtube metallic
https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/7211 ... hat-could/

It is still probably the choice after the Adventure 80, StarTravel, Omegon. One other thing which would not work with the CT80 as compared to the others is the GSO 2" focuser upgrade.
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I keep my wide field Orion ST80 permanently mounted on a tripod. As Ylem mentioned, it's not great on planets. For planets and double stars, I keep my Orion 102 Mak permanently mounted. These are my two grab & go scopes.

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My grab-n-go is a 5.1" tabletop newt. Works great. Good luck with the purchase.
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I use a Meade AdventureScope 80mm with upgraded Crayford focuser on my Twilight 1. The OTA sits in a cabinet with my 90mm Mak and ST120, and the TW 1 sits by the door. For quick looks, I grab the 80mm. I've also started taking the 80mm to dark sites and / or on vacation since it's so portable compared to the 120.

If you can't find an 80, you could look at the Omegon 90mm. Price is not too much more. I have no experience with the Omegon though.
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Here's my ST80 permanently mounted on a tripod. And yes, the finder scope is not on it as I've never used it with this scope

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There's an Orion ST80 with rings for sale on Astromart right now. Looks like all metal from the pics.
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helicon wrote: Tue Aug 11, 2020 2:52 pm My grab-n-go is a 5.1" tabletop newt. Works great. Good luck with the purchase.
A 5" newt is one heck of a scope for grab n go :)
Wide field, bright, no CA, good on planets :)

I think the OP wants a Frac, but a 5" newt would rock ;)
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Hope the responders to the original post are still watching. In ref. to Orion CT80, after searching till i was bleary eyed (everywhere across the net) I came to one conclusion, The Orion ct80 can be hit or miss.100% or POS You get a lemon or peach. Also my criteria is limited to a few optics in this range, some cheap and some over the moon. Query? who has/used an Opticstar AR80S 80mm Gold Dual Speed short-tube refractor? Please, please no anecdotal comments unless you have looked with your own eyes. Thanks and love ~keep looking up~
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I would not call them a POS necessarily.
Would Ii buy one for myself? No. That does not make it bad, what it does is not in my viewing interests or very little of.
They are what they are, very short tube refractors for widefield viewing like binoculars, not a planetary telescope or such.

I find a lot of astro reviews that are negative are simply because it does not fit the person.
The ST80 refractors are incredibly popular for what they do.
I in the meantime will be over here with my 105mm f/15 looking at Jupiter moons as disks :D
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konza wrote: Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:12 pm Hope the responders to the original post are still watching. In ref. to Orion CT80, after searching till i was bleary eyed (everywhere across the net) I came to one conclusion, The Orion ct80 can be hit or miss.100% or POS You get a lemon or peach. Also my criteria is limited to a few optics in this range, some cheap and some over the moon. Query? who has/used an Opticstar AR80S 80mm Gold Dual Speed short-tube refractor? Please, please no anecdotal comments unless you have looked with your own eyes. Thanks and love ~keep looking up~
You might not get a lot of owner feedback on the Opticstar as it is not a popular brand. Based on the specs, the price at telescopes.net seems a tad high ($379)

You could get an Omegon 90/500 for about $210 (a little heavier than the Opticstar though).
Although if I was in the high 300 price range I would probably spend a little more and get an "Orion ED80 80mm f/7.5", for $450.
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ARock wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:15 pm
konza wrote: Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:12 pm Hope the responders to the original post are still watching. In ref. to Orion CT80, after searching till i was bleary eyed (everywhere across the net) I came to one conclusion, The Orion ct80 can be hit or miss.100% or POS You get a lemon or peach. Also my criteria is limited to a few optics in this range, some cheap and some over the moon. Query? who has/used an Opticstar AR80S 80mm Gold Dual Speed short-tube refractor? Please, please no anecdotal comments unless you have looked with your own eyes. Thanks and love ~keep looking up~
You might not get a lot of owner feedback on the Opticstar as it is not a popular brand. Based on the specs, the price at telescopes.net seems a tad high ($379)

You could get an Omegon 90/500 for about $210 (a little heavier than the Opticstar though).
Although if I was in the high 300 price range I would probably spend a little more and get an "Orion ED80 80mm f/7.5", for $450.
Yes, once you get closer to $300 it makes sense to go after ED doublet instead of achro.

Astrotech 80mm ED is $399 with free shipping and premium upgrades (dual speed 2" R&P focuser. machined tube rings, metal retractable due shield).

https://www.astronomics.com/astro-tech- ... r-ota.html
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I have a 73 mm f 5.9 William Optics Zenithstar. I use it visually, mostly for bird watching but it proved very handy for observing comet Neowise (I don't have a clear view of the northern horizon from home). It's a crisp and contrasty little refractor that is completely free of chromatic aberration (to my eye). It's a pleasure to use.

It's a doublet. Visually I don't notice its field curvature, but for astrophotography you'd want to get a field flattener.

Here's astrobackyard's review of the ZS73: https://astrobackyard.com/william-optic ... ar-73-apo/
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Have settled on a GnG for my Twilight1 mount, Astro-Tech AT70ED 2.8" f/6 ED Refractor. Good reviews and very modest price. Bad news, supplier says "January 2021 Expected Delivery". Guess I'll simply watch my fingernails grow until then. I wholeheartedly agree with Lady Fractor, "a lot of astro reviews that are negative are simply because it does not fit the person".
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Filters Orion 13 & 25% moon filter, and a sky glow
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A nice choice, January/ February will be here soon enough :)
See Far Sticks: Antares Elita 103/1575, AOM FLT 105/1000, Bresser BV 127/1200, Nočný stopár 152/1200, Vyrobené doma 70/700, Stellarvue NHNG DX 80/552, TAL RS100/1000, Vixen SD115s/885
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