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A friend got a Newt for Christmas. What inexpensive laser collimator would you recommend?

Would this GSO do the job?

https://agenaastro.com/gso-1-25-newtoni ... r-iii.html

Any better alternatives in the price range. They paid $150 for the scope, probably would be hesitant to get $100 collimator. :D
Scopes: Stellarvue: SV102 ED F7; Celestron: 9.25" EdgeHD F10, 8" SCT F10, 6" SCT F10, Omni XLT 150R Achro F5, Onyx 80ED F6.3; Meade: 80ST Achro F5.
Mounts: ES: Twilight I; Bresser: EXOS2; SW: SkyTee2, AzGTi; UA: MicroStar.
Binos: Orion: Little Giant II 15x70, WorldView 10x50, Nikon: Action EX 16x50 & 8x40.
EPs: Pentax: XWs & XFs; TeleVue: Delites, Panoptic & Plossls; ES: 68s; Vixen: SLVs; Baader: BCOs, Aspherics, Mark IV; Russell Optics: SuperPlossls.
Diagonals: Baader: BBHS silver mirror, Zeiss Spec T2 prism, Clicklock dielectric; TeleVue: Evebrite dielectric; AltairAstro: Positive lock prism.
Filters: Lumicon: DeepSky, UHC, OIII, H-beta; Baader: Moon & SkyGlow, Contrast Booster, UHC-S; Astronomik: UHC, Orion: UltraBlock, SkyGlow.
Observing: DSOs: 1936 (Completed: Messier, Herschel 1, 2, 3. In progress: H2,500: 1498, S110: 77). Doubles: 1341, Comets: 15, Asteroids: 78
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Bigzmey wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:06 am
A friend got a Newt for Christmas. What inexpensive laser collimator would you recommend?

Would this GSO do the job?

https://agenaastro.com/gso-1-25-newtoni ... r-iii.html

Any better alternatives in the price range. They paid $150 for the scope, probably would be hesitant to get $100 collimator. :D
It's fine as long as you collimate the collimator first. :)
Scopes: Refs: Orion ST80, SV 80EDA f7, TS 102ED f11 Newts: Z12 f5; Cats: VMC110L, Intes MK66,VMC200L f9.75 EPs: KK Fujiyama Orthoscopics, 2x Vixen NPLs (40-6mm) and BCOs, Baader Mark IV zooms, TV Panoptics, Delos, Plossl 32-8mm. Mixed brand Masuyama/Astroplans Binoculars: Nikon Aculon 10x50, Celestron 15x70, Baader Maxbright. Mounts: Star Seeker III, Vixen Porta II, Celestron CG5, Orion Sirius EQG
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notFritzArgelander wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:12 am
Bigzmey wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:06 am
A friend got a Newt for Christmas. What inexpensive laser collimator would you recommend?

Would this GSO do the job?

https://agenaastro.com/gso-1-25-newtoni ... r-iii.html

Any better alternatives in the price range. They paid $150 for the scope, probably would be hesitant to get $100 collimator. :D
It's fine as long as you collimate the collimator first. :)
Ok. Is GSO a collimatable collimator, then? :D Would Cheshire EP be better option?
Scopes: Stellarvue: SV102 ED F7; Celestron: 9.25" EdgeHD F10, 8" SCT F10, 6" SCT F10, Omni XLT 150R Achro F5, Onyx 80ED F6.3; Meade: 80ST Achro F5.
Mounts: ES: Twilight I; Bresser: EXOS2; SW: SkyTee2, AzGTi; UA: MicroStar.
Binos: Orion: Little Giant II 15x70, WorldView 10x50, Nikon: Action EX 16x50 & 8x40.
EPs: Pentax: XWs & XFs; TeleVue: Delites, Panoptic & Plossls; ES: 68s; Vixen: SLVs; Baader: BCOs, Aspherics, Mark IV; Russell Optics: SuperPlossls.
Diagonals: Baader: BBHS silver mirror, Zeiss Spec T2 prism, Clicklock dielectric; TeleVue: Evebrite dielectric; AltairAstro: Positive lock prism.
Filters: Lumicon: DeepSky, UHC, OIII, H-beta; Baader: Moon & SkyGlow, Contrast Booster, UHC-S; Astronomik: UHC, Orion: UltraBlock, SkyGlow.
Observing: DSOs: 1936 (Completed: Messier, Herschel 1, 2, 3. In progress: H2,500: 1498, S110: 77). Doubles: 1341, Comets: 15, Asteroids: 78
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Bigzmey wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:16 am
notFritzArgelander wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:12 am
Bigzmey wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:06 am
A friend got a Newt for Christmas. What inexpensive laser collimator would you recommend?

Would this GSO do the job?

https://agenaastro.com/gso-1-25-newtoni ... r-iii.html

Any better alternatives in the price range. They paid $150 for the scope, probably would be hesitant to get $100 collimator. :D
It's fine as long as you collimate the collimator first. :)
Ok. Is GSO a collimatable collimator, then? :D Would Cheshire EP be better option?
I have the Zhumell branded GSO collimator and it is collimatable. I can see in the picture that it has the same hole for inserting a fine screwdriver to adjust the collimation as mine has.
Scopes: Refs: Orion ST80, SV 80EDA f7, TS 102ED f11 Newts: Z12 f5; Cats: VMC110L, Intes MK66,VMC200L f9.75 EPs: KK Fujiyama Orthoscopics, 2x Vixen NPLs (40-6mm) and BCOs, Baader Mark IV zooms, TV Panoptics, Delos, Plossl 32-8mm. Mixed brand Masuyama/Astroplans Binoculars: Nikon Aculon 10x50, Celestron 15x70, Baader Maxbright. Mounts: Star Seeker III, Vixen Porta II, Celestron CG5, Orion Sirius EQG
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I miss Howie Glatter :(
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UlteriorModem wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:25 am
I miss Howie Glatter :(
What happened to it?
Scopes: Stellarvue: SV102 ED F7; Celestron: 9.25" EdgeHD F10, 8" SCT F10, 6" SCT F10, Omni XLT 150R Achro F5, Onyx 80ED F6.3; Meade: 80ST Achro F5.
Mounts: ES: Twilight I; Bresser: EXOS2; SW: SkyTee2, AzGTi; UA: MicroStar.
Binos: Orion: Little Giant II 15x70, WorldView 10x50, Nikon: Action EX 16x50 & 8x40.
EPs: Pentax: XWs & XFs; TeleVue: Delites, Panoptic & Plossls; ES: 68s; Vixen: SLVs; Baader: BCOs, Aspherics, Mark IV; Russell Optics: SuperPlossls.
Diagonals: Baader: BBHS silver mirror, Zeiss Spec T2 prism, Clicklock dielectric; TeleVue: Evebrite dielectric; AltairAstro: Positive lock prism.
Filters: Lumicon: DeepSky, UHC, OIII, H-beta; Baader: Moon & SkyGlow, Contrast Booster, UHC-S; Astronomik: UHC, Orion: UltraBlock, SkyGlow.
Observing: DSOs: 1936 (Completed: Messier, Herschel 1, 2, 3. In progress: H2,500: 1498, S110: 77). Doubles: 1341, Comets: 15, Asteroids: 78
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Mr. Glatter passed on a couple of years ago
Feathertouch is now making them so they would not disappear.

A collimation cap and laser will work but if this is his first Newtonian I would suggest the old fashioned route (Cheshire) first before introducing the laser.
Proper Telescopes: Antares 105 f/15, Bresser 102 f/13.2, Celestron 150 f/8, Stellarvue NHNGDX 80 f/6.9, TAL 100RS f/10, TS 102 f/11, UR 70 f/10, Vixen ED115s f/7.7
Mounts: Berlebach Planet w/ pier, Celestron AS-GT, Celestron CG-5 w/ Argo Navis & tracking motor, SLT w/ pier & tripod mods, Manfrotto 028b w/ SV M2C, Mantrotto 055Pro w/ 128RC, TAL MT1C, Vixen SXP w/ HAL-130 & half pier
Diagonal: 2" A-P Maxbright, 2" Baader Herschel Wedge (P), 2" Zeiss/ Baader Amici Prism (DX2), 2" Orion Amici Prism, 2" Stellarvue DX, 2" TeleVue EverBrite
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Lady Fraktor wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:55 am
Mr. Glatter passed on a couple of years ago
Feathertouch is now making them so they would not disappear.

A collimation cap and laser will work but if this is his first Newtonian I would suggest the old fashioned route (Cheshire) first before introducing the laser.
That's what I did. I started with cap and Cheshire first. Then I found that a laser was a good time saver when just "touching up" was required.
Scopes: Refs: Orion ST80, SV 80EDA f7, TS 102ED f11 Newts: Z12 f5; Cats: VMC110L, Intes MK66,VMC200L f9.75 EPs: KK Fujiyama Orthoscopics, 2x Vixen NPLs (40-6mm) and BCOs, Baader Mark IV zooms, TV Panoptics, Delos, Plossl 32-8mm. Mixed brand Masuyama/Astroplans Binoculars: Nikon Aculon 10x50, Celestron 15x70, Baader Maxbright. Mounts: Star Seeker III, Vixen Porta II, Celestron CG5, Orion Sirius EQG
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Ever seen the look of horror on a beginners face when they realize the laser batteries are dead and they have no clue how to do it the old fashioned way?
Absolutely priceless!
I have had to help other people a few times.
Proper Telescopes: Antares 105 f/15, Bresser 102 f/13.2, Celestron 150 f/8, Stellarvue NHNGDX 80 f/6.9, TAL 100RS f/10, TS 102 f/11, UR 70 f/10, Vixen ED115s f/7.7
Mounts: Berlebach Planet w/ pier, Celestron AS-GT, Celestron CG-5 w/ Argo Navis & tracking motor, SLT w/ pier & tripod mods, Manfrotto 028b w/ SV M2C, Mantrotto 055Pro w/ 128RC, TAL MT1C, Vixen SXP w/ HAL-130 & half pier
Diagonal: 2" A-P Maxbright, 2" Baader Herschel Wedge (P), 2" Zeiss/ Baader Amici Prism (DX2), 2" Orion Amici Prism, 2" Stellarvue DX, 2" TeleVue EverBrite
Eyepieces: Antares to Zeiss
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I want to save him and his daughter from frustration. What would be the easier way for a complete beginner to collimate, laser or Cheshire?
Scopes: Stellarvue: SV102 ED F7; Celestron: 9.25" EdgeHD F10, 8" SCT F10, 6" SCT F10, Omni XLT 150R Achro F5, Onyx 80ED F6.3; Meade: 80ST Achro F5.
Mounts: ES: Twilight I; Bresser: EXOS2; SW: SkyTee2, AzGTi; UA: MicroStar.
Binos: Orion: Little Giant II 15x70, WorldView 10x50, Nikon: Action EX 16x50 & 8x40.
EPs: Pentax: XWs & XFs; TeleVue: Delites, Panoptic & Plossls; ES: 68s; Vixen: SLVs; Baader: BCOs, Aspherics, Mark IV; Russell Optics: SuperPlossls.
Diagonals: Baader: BBHS silver mirror, Zeiss Spec T2 prism, Clicklock dielectric; TeleVue: Evebrite dielectric; AltairAstro: Positive lock prism.
Filters: Lumicon: DeepSky, UHC, OIII, H-beta; Baader: Moon & SkyGlow, Contrast Booster, UHC-S; Astronomik: UHC, Orion: UltraBlock, SkyGlow.
Observing: DSOs: 1936 (Completed: Messier, Herschel 1, 2, 3. In progress: H2,500: 1498, S110: 77). Doubles: 1341, Comets: 15, Asteroids: 78
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Bigzmey wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:06 am
I want to save him and his daughter from frustration. What would be the easier way for a complete beginner to collimate, laser or Cheshire?
Cheshire. There is a little pain in that you'll learn how the scope works and the geometry. But that's necessary for a laser too anyway.

A laser will not help with a misplaced secondary for instance.
Scopes: Refs: Orion ST80, SV 80EDA f7, TS 102ED f11 Newts: Z12 f5; Cats: VMC110L, Intes MK66,VMC200L f9.75 EPs: KK Fujiyama Orthoscopics, 2x Vixen NPLs (40-6mm) and BCOs, Baader Mark IV zooms, TV Panoptics, Delos, Plossl 32-8mm. Mixed brand Masuyama/Astroplans Binoculars: Nikon Aculon 10x50, Celestron 15x70, Baader Maxbright. Mounts: Star Seeker III, Vixen Porta II, Celestron CG5, Orion Sirius EQG
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notFritzArgelander wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:09 am
Bigzmey wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:06 am
I want to save him and his daughter from frustration. What would be the easier way for a complete beginner to collimate, laser or Cheshire?
Cheshire. There is a little pain in that you'll learn how the scope works and the geometry. But that's necessary for a laser too anyway.

A laser will not help with a misplaced secondary for instance.
Got it! Would this one do the job?

https://agenaastro.com/agena-1-25-colli ... ctors.html

Or there is a better option?
Scopes: Stellarvue: SV102 ED F7; Celestron: 9.25" EdgeHD F10, 8" SCT F10, 6" SCT F10, Omni XLT 150R Achro F5, Onyx 80ED F6.3; Meade: 80ST Achro F5.
Mounts: ES: Twilight I; Bresser: EXOS2; SW: SkyTee2, AzGTi; UA: MicroStar.
Binos: Orion: Little Giant II 15x70, WorldView 10x50, Nikon: Action EX 16x50 & 8x40.
EPs: Pentax: XWs & XFs; TeleVue: Delites, Panoptic & Plossls; ES: 68s; Vixen: SLVs; Baader: BCOs, Aspherics, Mark IV; Russell Optics: SuperPlossls.
Diagonals: Baader: BBHS silver mirror, Zeiss Spec T2 prism, Clicklock dielectric; TeleVue: Evebrite dielectric; AltairAstro: Positive lock prism.
Filters: Lumicon: DeepSky, UHC, OIII, H-beta; Baader: Moon & SkyGlow, Contrast Booster, UHC-S; Astronomik: UHC, Orion: UltraBlock, SkyGlow.
Observing: DSOs: 1936 (Completed: Messier, Herschel 1, 2, 3. In progress: H2,500: 1498, S110: 77). Doubles: 1341, Comets: 15, Asteroids: 78
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Definitely the cheshire, collimation once learned takes very little time to check/ tweak.
If they are getting a Newtonian they may as well learn to do it properly.
Astro-Baby Collimation Guide is straight forward.
Proper Telescopes: Antares 105 f/15, Bresser 102 f/13.2, Celestron 150 f/8, Stellarvue NHNGDX 80 f/6.9, TAL 100RS f/10, TS 102 f/11, UR 70 f/10, Vixen ED115s f/7.7
Mounts: Berlebach Planet w/ pier, Celestron AS-GT, Celestron CG-5 w/ Argo Navis & tracking motor, SLT w/ pier & tripod mods, Manfrotto 028b w/ SV M2C, Mantrotto 055Pro w/ 128RC, TAL MT1C, Vixen SXP w/ HAL-130 & half pier
Diagonal: 2" A-P Maxbright, 2" Baader Herschel Wedge (P), 2" Zeiss/ Baader Amici Prism (DX2), 2" Orion Amici Prism, 2" Stellarvue DX, 2" TeleVue EverBrite
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Bigzmey wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:14 am
notFritzArgelander wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:09 am
Bigzmey wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:06 am
I want to save him and his daughter from frustration. What would be the easier way for a complete beginner to collimate, laser or Cheshire?
Cheshire. There is a little pain in that you'll learn how the scope works and the geometry. But that's necessary for a laser too anyway.

A laser will not help with a misplaced secondary for instance.
Got it! Would this one do the job?

https://agenaastro.com/agena-1-25-colli ... ctors.html

Or there is a better option?
If they have a 1.25" draw tube it should be fine. If they have a 2" I'd do for one that size.
Scopes: Refs: Orion ST80, SV 80EDA f7, TS 102ED f11 Newts: Z12 f5; Cats: VMC110L, Intes MK66,VMC200L f9.75 EPs: KK Fujiyama Orthoscopics, 2x Vixen NPLs (40-6mm) and BCOs, Baader Mark IV zooms, TV Panoptics, Delos, Plossl 32-8mm. Mixed brand Masuyama/Astroplans Binoculars: Nikon Aculon 10x50, Celestron 15x70, Baader Maxbright. Mounts: Star Seeker III, Vixen Porta II, Celestron CG5, Orion Sirius EQG
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Lady Fraktor wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:16 am
Definitely the cheshire, collimation once learned takes very little time to check/ tweak.
If they are getting a Newtonian they may as well learn to do it properly.
Astro-Baby Collimation Guide is straight forward.
They already purchased Newt without asking me first, so the damage is done. :D Now day will face the consequences. :lol:
Scopes: Stellarvue: SV102 ED F7; Celestron: 9.25" EdgeHD F10, 8" SCT F10, 6" SCT F10, Omni XLT 150R Achro F5, Onyx 80ED F6.3; Meade: 80ST Achro F5.
Mounts: ES: Twilight I; Bresser: EXOS2; SW: SkyTee2, AzGTi; UA: MicroStar.
Binos: Orion: Little Giant II 15x70, WorldView 10x50, Nikon: Action EX 16x50 & 8x40.
EPs: Pentax: XWs & XFs; TeleVue: Delites, Panoptic & Plossls; ES: 68s; Vixen: SLVs; Baader: BCOs, Aspherics, Mark IV; Russell Optics: SuperPlossls.
Diagonals: Baader: BBHS silver mirror, Zeiss Spec T2 prism, Clicklock dielectric; TeleVue: Evebrite dielectric; AltairAstro: Positive lock prism.
Filters: Lumicon: DeepSky, UHC, OIII, H-beta; Baader: Moon & SkyGlow, Contrast Booster, UHC-S; Astronomik: UHC, Orion: UltraBlock, SkyGlow.
Observing: DSOs: 1936 (Completed: Messier, Herschel 1, 2, 3. In progress: H2,500: 1498, S110: 77). Doubles: 1341, Comets: 15, Asteroids: 78
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Do you know what model it is?
Proper Telescopes: Antares 105 f/15, Bresser 102 f/13.2, Celestron 150 f/8, Stellarvue NHNGDX 80 f/6.9, TAL 100RS f/10, TS 102 f/11, UR 70 f/10, Vixen ED115s f/7.7
Mounts: Berlebach Planet w/ pier, Celestron AS-GT, Celestron CG-5 w/ Argo Navis & tracking motor, SLT w/ pier & tripod mods, Manfrotto 028b w/ SV M2C, Mantrotto 055Pro w/ 128RC, TAL MT1C, Vixen SXP w/ HAL-130 & half pier
Diagonal: 2" A-P Maxbright, 2" Baader Herschel Wedge (P), 2" Zeiss/ Baader Amici Prism (DX2), 2" Orion Amici Prism, 2" Stellarvue DX, 2" TeleVue EverBrite
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Lady Fraktor wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:32 am
Do you know what model it is?
I know it is Celestron Newt on a manual EQ mount. He should get back to me with the model info. Hopefully, it is not Bird Jones design. :)
Scopes: Stellarvue: SV102 ED F7; Celestron: 9.25" EdgeHD F10, 8" SCT F10, 6" SCT F10, Omni XLT 150R Achro F5, Onyx 80ED F6.3; Meade: 80ST Achro F5.
Mounts: ES: Twilight I; Bresser: EXOS2; SW: SkyTee2, AzGTi; UA: MicroStar.
Binos: Orion: Little Giant II 15x70, WorldView 10x50, Nikon: Action EX 16x50 & 8x40.
EPs: Pentax: XWs & XFs; TeleVue: Delites, Panoptic & Plossls; ES: 68s; Vixen: SLVs; Baader: BCOs, Aspherics, Mark IV; Russell Optics: SuperPlossls.
Diagonals: Baader: BBHS silver mirror, Zeiss Spec T2 prism, Clicklock dielectric; TeleVue: Evebrite dielectric; AltairAstro: Positive lock prism.
Filters: Lumicon: DeepSky, UHC, OIII, H-beta; Baader: Moon & SkyGlow, Contrast Booster, UHC-S; Astronomik: UHC, Orion: UltraBlock, SkyGlow.
Observing: DSOs: 1936 (Completed: Messier, Herschel 1, 2, 3. In progress: H2,500: 1498, S110: 77). Doubles: 1341, Comets: 15, Asteroids: 78
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Bigzmey wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:46 am
Lady Fraktor wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:32 am
Do you know what model it is?
I know it is Celestron Newt on a manual EQ mount. He should get back to me with the model info. Hopefully, it is not Bird Jones design. :)
If it is there is a DIY thread here that will either 1) scare him into returning it or 2) develop skills in telescope making. :)

If it's the 127EQ f8 or the 114EQ f9.... :shrug: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTXEJizAneY
Scopes: Refs: Orion ST80, SV 80EDA f7, TS 102ED f11 Newts: Z12 f5; Cats: VMC110L, Intes MK66,VMC200L f9.75 EPs: KK Fujiyama Orthoscopics, 2x Vixen NPLs (40-6mm) and BCOs, Baader Mark IV zooms, TV Panoptics, Delos, Plossl 32-8mm. Mixed brand Masuyama/Astroplans Binoculars: Nikon Aculon 10x50, Celestron 15x70, Baader Maxbright. Mounts: Star Seeker III, Vixen Porta II, Celestron CG5, Orion Sirius EQG
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Bigzmey wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:46 am
UlteriorModem wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:25 am
I miss Howie Glatter :(
What happened to it?
Howie died this past year. He was famous for his unique telescopic equipment. I bought his laser collimator and TuBlug. I was told by a member of my astronomy club that the laser would not work with the TuBlug. So I ignored the TuBlug for years, even thought about tossing it out. Turns out, the laser was specifically made for the TuBlug - which when combined are supposed to make a perfect alignment for Newtonian telescopes. I recently priced it out and the TuBlug was something like $275. So glad I did not toss it. I do have to say that my stars - at least visually - are very nicely sharp. Can't say that of the planets because we haven't had a visually great night since I started using it. Not much one can do about high humidity.
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Re: Good laser collimator?

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notFritzArgelander wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:36 am
Bigzmey wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:46 am
Lady Fraktor wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:32 am
Do you know what model it is?
I know it is Celestron Newt on a manual EQ mount. He should get back to me with the model info. Hopefully, it is not Bird Jones design. :)
If it is there is a DIY thread here that will either 1) scare him into returning it or 2) develop skills in telescope making. :)

If it's the 127EQ f8 or the 114EQ f9.... :shrug: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTXEJizAneY
Luckily it is 130EQ. The mount is wobbly but the optic is decent according to feedback on forums.
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