Two Finders Is Better Than One
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Two Finders Is Better Than One
I use the red dot finder to get me in the general area, then target/central it with the right angle 8x50 correct image finder. The 8x50 finder has a 5.4 field of view. Very happy with this combo.
https://agenaastro.com/gso-8x50mm-right ... inder.html
https://agenaastro.com/gso-8x50mm-right ... inder.html
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Re: Two Finders Is Better Than One
I have used the same combo and, yes, it works well. Now I cheat. I use the RACI finder to center Polaris, then set my homemade setting circle to 0 on my Twilight 1 mount, look on Stellarium for the az and alt, set the circle, adjust the inclinometer and I'm there. (I guess I could have made that last sentence two or more.)
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Re: Two Finders Is Better Than One
An excellent combination.
I enjoy this too, though I use atelrad on the dob and a Rigel Quickfinder on the fracs. Same principle though. It works wonderfully!
I enjoy this too, though I use a
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Snipped the info for my astronomy hobby USB disk file. ThanksMichael131313 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:18 am I have used the same combo and, yes, it works well. Now I cheat. I use the RACI finder to center Polaris, then set my homemade setting circle to 0 on my Twilight 1 mount, look on Stellarium for the az and alt, set the circle, adjust the inclinometer and I'm there. (I guess I could have made that last sentence two or more.)
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Re: Two Finders Is Better Than One
+1 for the two finder combo for star hopping.
There are cheaper options to the Orion Y bracket for the budget minded
viewtopic.php?t=1120
There are cheaper options to the Orion Y bracket for the budget minded
viewtopic.php?t=1120
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Re: Two Finders Is Better Than One
Michael131313 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:18 am I have used the same combo and, yes, it works well. Now I cheat. I use the RACI finder to center Polaris, then set my homemade setting circle to 0 on my Twilight 1 mount, look on Stellarium for the az and alt, set the circle, adjust the inclinometer and I'm there.
Pretty much what I did before I added encoders to my TW1. It's still my back-up system.
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Amen!
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Re: Two Finders Is Better Than One
Thanks Parkerinen. I don't know what encoders are or how you would add them. Could you briefly explain? Thanks a lot.Pretty much what I did before I added encoders to my TW1. It's still my back-up system.
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Sure, encoders are small analog (usually magnetic, I think) sensors that you install on your mount's Alt and Az or RA and Dec axes that generate an electrical signal when you turn the axis. That signal is fed into digital setting circles of some kind so you get an electronic readout of where your scope is pointed.
I use a WiFi link connected to my decoders that talks to Sky Safari on my iPhone but you can buy units that don't require an interface to planetarium software / tablets / phones.
Some more info below. I use the Nexus II. FWIW.
https://www.astrodevices.com/AllAboutDSCs/index.html
https://www.astrodevices.com/Products/N ... index.html
https://www.astrodevices.com/Products/N ... index.html
I use a WiFi link connected to my decoders that talks to Sky Safari on my iPhone but you can buy units that don't require an interface to planetarium software / tablets / phones.
Some more info below. I use the Nexus II. FWIW.
https://www.astrodevices.com/AllAboutDSCs/index.html
https://www.astrodevices.com/Products/N ... index.html
https://www.astrodevices.com/Products/N ... index.html
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Re: Two Finders Is Better Than One
Thanks very much pakarinen.
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A very sensible solution. The 'red dot' is fine for getting into a general area, but cannot see objects invisible to the eye. You may be way off. The spotter can fine tune the telelscope to the object, but matching what is seen through it and the sky generally means you don't really know exactly where you are pointing at. You can easily miss what you are looking for. Together you have the best of both worlds.
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I also use two finders:
I also use the two finder method with my telescopes.
TELESCOPES:
SkyWatcher 10"/250mm Collapsible Dobsonian:
Celestron 8SE:
Meade NG-60SM 60mm refractor:
GEAR/ACCESSORIES:
Celestron SkyMaster 15x70 binoculars:
ZWO ASI120MC-S Camera:
(Formerly known as "Cherokee" on AF)
SkyWatcher 10"/250mm Collapsible Dobsonian:
Celestron 8SE:
Meade NG-60SM 60mm refractor:
GEAR/ACCESSORIES:
Celestron SkyMaster 15x70 binoculars:
ZWO ASI120MC-S Camera:
(Formerly known as "Cherokee" on AF)
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I am yet another proponent of the dual finder scenario. I have been a manual star hopper for decades and utilize a Rigel Quikfinder and 8x50 RACI on all my dobs, 10 inch up to 17.5 inch . I use the QF for aiming at a naked eye visible star near the object field and then the RACI for object field location. In some cases the object itself is visible in the RACI , particularly at the dark site. This combination has done the job for me for a good number of years.
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Re: Two Finders Is Better Than One
I use a green light laser pointer to get me very close. I have a switch to quickly turn on and off. I make sure there are no airplanes in the general direction of where I’m going to point. (I got tired of getting on my knees or contouring my back trying to look through a POS faulty red dot finder). Then I use the Celestron RACI finderscope to get me in the eyepiece. Works every time.
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