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I have three months food/can goods supply. Thinking about subzero sleeping bags also. Some say preppers are crazy. I say it is wise to have a little food stored away for an emergency. Why do people have home and medical insurance? Why do people save money? What say you?

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I say that this is a question with political implications. The disaster in Texas is a result of bad decisions by authorities who rejected the "insurance" of being tied into the national power grid because of an ideological distaste for federal regulations. Natural gas lines froze, coal and gas power plants failed, wind turbines seized because of the profit driven decision to not winterize facilities.

Wherever (as in Text) and for as long as the powers that be refuse to act in a fact based and civilized manner being prepared is wise. Unfortunately, that is only a short term solution. Most folks can't afford to lay by months of food and an arsenal. So if you have stockpiles you can expect the desperate to come after you and you will be outnumbered.

The best prepping is to restore civilized values.

PS I keep a deep pantry and a shotgun. But that's no guarantee. I prefer civilization and competency.
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I am not a "prepper" in the sense in which the word is typically used.

However, I do believe in being prepared for relatively common natural disasters. We lived for eight years on an island with very expensive ferry service. To save on transportation costs, we saved up our errands, making a long shopping list, and took the ferry into town once every three weeks. So we typically had 2-5 weeks' worth of supplies on hand at any time.

After one memorable eight-day power failure, we bought a generator. We installed a whole-site transfer switch that allowed us to run any device in the house or outbuildings off the generator (though not all at the same time, obviously). Of special note for a rural property, the well pump would run off the generator, so we had running water. We also installed solar hot water, though most power failures happened in winter when there wasn't much sunlight. Our primary heat source was wood, with a stove in the basement that did a good job of heating the whole house.

Droughts were a common feature of the climate in summertime. Since we wanted to grow our own veggies, and the well produced a limited quantity of water, we set up rainwater collection. We could collect enough rainwater in two days of winter rain to water the garden from May to October.

We no longer live on an island, but covid-19 has us back to thinking in the mode of avoiding travel into town as much as possible. If we were to catch covid, we would have to quarantine for two weeks. And of course, we still get snowstorms, ice-storms, and even hurricanes. Impassable roads and power cuts are to be expected. We are ready.
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Yes. I can easily go three weeks or more. Enough said.
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Keeping supply of food, water and essentials at home is common sense. I hope people learn from the experience.
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Hmm.... what can be learned from the experience? There are many choices. My top two are...

1. The poor who can no longer afford what "common sense" costs can eat cake when there is no bread and drink wine instead of water.

2. Regulation of utilities to winterize is a good idea.
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Texas is a special case as the state is run by people who are the servants of the oil and gas companies and allow them to operate with no regulations. And when the goign gets tough they leave the state and head for Cancun.

When there is no electricity there is no gas/diesel at the filling stations and even with home heating oil or natural gas there still needs to be power for the furnace blower and controls. I have a 16Kw standby generator at my house that runs off natural gas and I choose to live where it does not snow and so I no worries about frozen pipes or a frozen well pump motor. I do keep eight 5-gallon water containers just in case, and a supply of food that would last us for a couple months worst case.

There are frequently articles about best places to live or to retire and they ignore the weather completely or how well public services are maintained by the local governments.
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I think one needs to look at their dwelling and personal situation, one size does not fit all.

We have a wood stove, that's priceless for where we live.

The power grid here in Charlotte, NC is extremely stable, the city is known as the energy capital of the east. In 24 years, we only lost power once that lasted more than 8 hours.
Hence, I have resisted a generator. I could cook on the outside grill or the wood stove.
We have city water, but always keep water on hand.

Food, 😆 my wife is a shopaholic, we could go for a month, not counting my body fat 😂
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Welcome to TSS Elkhornsun, thanks for joining us 🐱

That's nice, a generator that runs off natural gas, I like that.
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I was once a Scout Master.
Part of the BoyScout motto is to "Be prepared".
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It really is a sad situation what is happening in Texas right now. But at the same time, we can't expect people living in apartments to have wood-burning furnaces or natural gas generators. This is a touchy subject because it is so easy to turn political, which we will not do here, but decisions were made by a few people that are causing these hardships for the many. Folks down there also need to realize that just because they call this a 100-year storm, doesn't mean it's going to be another 100 years before it happens again. Changes need to be made.
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KathyNS wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:33 pm I am not a "prepper" in the sense in which the word is typically used.

However, I do believe in being prepared for relatively common natural disasters. We lived for eight years on an island with very expensive ferry service. To save on transportation costs, we saved up our errands, making a long shopping list, and took the ferry into town once every three weeks. So we typically had 2-5 weeks' worth of supplies on hand at any time.

After one memorable eight-day power failure, we bought a generator. We installed a whole-site transfer switch that allowed us to run any device in the house or outbuildings off the generator (though not all at the same time, obviously). Of special note for a rural property, the well pump would run off the generator, so we had running water. We also installed solar hot water, though most power failures happened in winter when there wasn't much sunlight. Our primary heat source was wood, with a stove in the basement that did a good job of heating the whole house.

Droughts were a common feature of the climate in summertime. Since we wanted to grow our own veggies, and the well produced a limited quantity of water, we set up rainwater collection. We could collect enough rainwater in two days of winter rain to water the garden from May to October.

We no longer live on an island, but covid-19 has us back to thinking in the mode of avoiding travel into town as much as possible. If we were to catch covid, we would have to quarantine for two weeks. And of course, we still get snowstorms, ice-storms, and even hurricanes. Impassable roads and power cuts are to be expected. We are ready.
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AstroBee wrote: Sat Feb 20, 2021 5:01 am It really is a sad situation what is happening in Texas right now. But at the same time, we can't expect people living in apartments to have wood-burning furnaces or natural gas generators. This is a touchy subject because it is so easy to turn political, which we will not do here, but decisions were made by a few people that are causing these hardships for the many. Folks down there also need to realize that just because they call this a 100-year storm, doesn't mean it's going to be another 100 years before it happens again. Changes need to be made.
And BTW, there are furnaces that can burn both oil and wood. My folks used to have one some decades ago.
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We have food and basic medical supplies, but that was prompted by COVID lockdown. I probably should restock the bottled water.

Only heat back-up is a propane grill outside. I mentioned elsewhere my fireplace has electronic ignition and control, which I could replace with a manual valve. This place is 30 years old, so it’s probably due to be replaced anyway.
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We're seeing lots of reports of water pipes frozen.
If people have a liquid fuel stove and some liquid fuel - shellite stoves( AKA Coleman fuel) like MSR Whisperlites work at low temps, they could melt snow for water if they don't have electricity or gas and be used for cooking.

Also hearing reports of people getting CO poisoning because they use the heater in their car inside a closed garage. I'm mean come on.....really??

Warm clothes might be the easy solution. A freezer suit costs about USD 120 and doesn't take up much space. I've spent 6 hrs outside at night at -16C in one observing aurorae and didn't feel cold.

So freezer suit, stove and fuel only takes up a small space, costs <$300 total. I realise that there are some people too poor to even afford this but the vast majority of people could probably afford that.

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My oven / range is gas, but we're warned not to use ovens for heat in an emergency. OTOH, I do have 3 battery back-up powered CO detectors, so little likelihood of CO poisoning.

Re: running cars. You could run your car outside for warmth, but the pumps at gas stations are electric, so that won't last for long.
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I'm with @turboscrew on this. I was a Boy Scout (and I am a Girl Scout now - <chuckle>). I have two freezers and canned goods that could last us a long time. We live near a nuclear power plant - and if things should go awry I can load up the van attach the camper and be gone inside of 30 minutes. We're just outside the 10 mile radius so we would have some time to abandon ship as it were. In 1985 Hurricane Gloria hit this area and I lived (alone) out in the boonies... no power for a week. But even back then I kept enough food and water in stock to comfortably wait for power restoration. Now we live in a "major" city and power outages for more than 1 hour are extremely rare. I think we've lost power maybe twice in the last ten years. Being prepared and having a plan, I think, are essential. This is another thing that schools do not teach children. Kind of like not knowing where the North Star is or how to navigate using it or the Sun. Basics. Oh, don't get me started on this topic. :D
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It's a very tough situation. While I am not a prepper, the last three years have encouraged most folks to prepare for firestorms in addition to earthquakes. Therefore, I have around three weeks food, plenty of potable water, various charging devices to keep the phones charged so I can communicate, and a portable propane stove I keep in the garage. After the power being shut off by PG&E to cut fire risk during the autumn months, I purchased a top loading freezer I keep in the garage which will keep stuff cold for two to three days even if the power is off. I also have several bags of ice stored in the freezer so that I can keep the upstairs fridge cold in the event of these occurrences. Last time around there was no ice to be found at convenience stores and supermarkets for many days. Kind of frustrating to be doing this living in California where the weather is supposed to be mild but it is what it is.
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I do a lot of heating with wood and keep enough split wood in my woodshed to last more than one of our long winters. Propane is expensive. I live on a trout stream so the water is decent, but I would boil it just in case. Can also melt snow during the 5 months we typically have it on the ground.
Food in deep freeze can go outside in winter if we lose power. And I like to hunt and fish...
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