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Is this vignetting?

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Hello all!

I've recently noticed this in my images during processing and, being pretty new to it, was wondering if this is what you all call vignetting
and, if so, what to do to reduce or eliminate it. This is the result after the "Auto Dev" module in StarTools. This time I chose to keep it
and crop it because my target was unharmed. Other times I use the "vignetting" selection in the "Wipe" module and it helps but I think
it does affect the center of my image a bit as well.

Any tips?

Thanks!

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This was my next target. Notice how it changed?

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i can't view the items , sorry

edit: nvm, if i right click to a new window then it will download the file, i'll have a look
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wow, i've never seen that before,maybe some stacking artifact , are these single frames or stacked ?, vignetting is typically circular, and it's caused by obstruction of the draw tube or filter and the shape is pretty prominent of something round obstructing the light path on the edges , a diagram can show this . the only thing i can think of that is remotely rectangle is a clip in filter.
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Thanks!
I have a filter but I'm not using it.
Here's my 3rd object from that same session.
Note: I didn't change anything between these pics. I didn't touch the camera or any settings. Just changed targets.
Also note this one had a meridian flip but I don't think that matters as DSS seemed to handle the flipped image well.
Luckily it was another fairly small target and I was able to crop it.
Again, this happens after using the "Gradient" option in the "Wipe" module in StarTools.
The "Vignetting" option greatly reduces this but it does seem to impact the target as well.

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if you haven't done so, you might want to upload a raw un calibrated frame.
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Unless you have a square lens and telescope that is not vigenetting. You are getting some strange results from image registration, stacking, and calibration.
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I'm not sure how to upload a single frame... No matter what I convert it to it's too big.
I could DropBox one if anyone would be interested but let me know what format to upload.
It's currently .CR2 but I can convert it.

Thanks!

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Yes use Dropbox. Cr2 is fine. Might also include your calibration files if you use them.
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If this is a stacked image I have had a similar experience. In every case I can think of it is because the the mount was not tracking properly and so the edges of the stacked images don't overlap precisely. I occasionally get them when guiding is going well, so I usually have to crop the image by, oh, say, 100 pixels. Then do the gradient tool. So to be clear - load the image, ST should complain about possible stacking artifacts, autodev, crop the borders, then wipe. I then go back and this time do a manual develop to get as much signal as possible vs noise.

If this is a single image - I'm stumped!
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Thanks Tom!
You want my master dark, flat and bias?

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The more you can share the better so yea some lights, flat, bias and darks if you have them.

The more data we have to look at the better we can analyze the data.
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Light frame .CR2
https://www.dropbox.com/s/s66z5dpvn8au9 ... F.CR2?dl=0
Master dark .tiff
https://www.dropbox.com/s/r0pnfckpdsbko ... s.tif?dl=0
Master flat .tiff
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4pvqu4hatpvyc ... 0.tif?dl=0
Master offset .tiff
https://www.dropbox.com/s/nt4fxb578uc9r ... 0.tif?dl=0

Thank you so much! I'm finally starting to get some decent data... It's always something I suppose...

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I will have a look at this tonight.
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Star Dad wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:52 pm
If this is a stacked image I have had a similar experience. In every case I can think of it is because the the mount was not tracking properly and so the edges of the stacked images don't overlap precisely. I occasionally get them when guiding is going well, so I usually have to crop the image by, oh, say, 100 pixels. Then do the gradient tool. So to be clear - load the image, ST should complain about possible stacking artifacts, autodev, crop the borders, then wipe. I then go back and this time do a manual develop to get as much signal as possible vs noise.

If this is a single image - I'm stumped!
This is stacked and yes, ST warns that there are stacking artifacts. The first AutoDev doesn't reveal much at all. This doesn't show up until after gradient wipe. It's only after that that I can see what needs to be cropped and it's quite a bit! I struggled with DSS settings in the past. I wonder if I have something screwy in there... :think:

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you might want to try some different stack settings or different software, i had no problems at all .

un process straight from calibration and the other is colour corrected and stretched .
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Thanks yobbo!
Do you use DSS and ST or something else?

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Larry 1969 wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:10 pm
Thanks yobbo!
Do you use DSS and ST or something else?

Larry
Yes I use dss aka deep sky stacker, I can help you on some settings if you choose that route to stack your data
scopes :gso/bintel f4 12"trust tube, bresser messier ar127s /skywatcher 10'' dob,meade 12'' f10 lx200 sct
cameras : asi 1600mm-c/asi1600mm-c,asi120mc,prostar lp guidecam, nikkon d60, sony a7,asi 290 mm
mounts : eq6 pro/eq8/ (upcoming : mesu 200 v2)
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yobbo89 wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:21 pm
Larry 1969 wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:10 pm
Thanks yobbo!
Do you use DSS and ST or something else?

Larry
Yes I use dss aka deep sky stacker, I can help you on some settings if you choose that route to stack your data
Thanks! I'm looking at my settings now but I'm afraid there's a lot I don't understand...
I'm using the beta of StarTools that was supposed to work with no white balancing. Is that the version you're using?
If so, I'd be curious to see your settings. Maybe you could upload the DSS settings file to DropBox and I can import it to try if you have some time?

Thanks again!

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I may have found the problem. I had the stacking mode set to "intersection". I set it to "standard" and I'm restacking...

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