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102SLT vs. Omni 102

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Does anyone have experience with Celestron 102SLT/F6.47 and Omni XLT 102/F9.8 telescopes? I know one is a go-to but what advantages, if any, in terms of optics and mont does the Omni version have over the SLT? Price is almost the same on the Celestron site.

https://www.celestron.com/products/omni ... -telescope

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Re: 102SLT vs. Omni 102

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Both are good options.

Omni mount has better tripod and can handle heavier OTAs. 102/F9.8 will have less CA than 102/F6.5 and as a result will be better for planets, Moon, splitting doubles and other high power observing. The mount has slow motion cables which is nice for manual tracking. You can also get a motor drive, which will do the tracking for you. But no GoTo.

SLT tripod is flimsier. Mount and tripod have some plastic parts (Omni is all metal) but are adequate for 102/F6.5. On positive side it is lighter and more suitable for grab and go. 102/F6.5 OTA will have more CA on bright targets, but it will provide wider views and thus more suitable for DSOs, but will provide somewhat inferior views of planet compared to 102/F9.8.
Scopes: Stellarvue: SV102ED; Celestron: 9.25" EdgeHD, 8" SCT, 150ST, Onyx 80ED; iOptron: Hankmeister 6" Mak; SW: 7" Mak; Meade: 80ST.
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Binos: APM: 100-90 APO; Canon: IS 15x50; Orion: Binoviewer, LG II 15x70, WV 10x50, Nikon: AE 16x50, 10x50, 8x40.
EPs: Pentax: XWs & XFs; TeleVue: Delites, Panoptic & Plossls; ES: 68, 62; Vixen: SLVs; Baader: BCOs, Aspherics, Mark IV.
Diagonals: Baader: BBHS mirror, Zeiss Spec T2 prism, Clicklock dielectric; TeleVue: Evebrite dielectric; AltairAstro: 2" prism.
Filters: Lumicon: DeepSky, UHC, OIII, H-beta; Baader: Moon & SkyGlow, Contrast Booster, UHC-S, 6-color set; Astronomik: UHC.

Observing: DSOs: 3106 (Completed: Messier, Herschel 1, 2, 3. In progress: H2,500: 2180, S110: 77). Doubles: 2382, Comets: 34, Asteroids: 255
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Re: 102SLT vs. Omni 102

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Simple answer is Omni has the better scope and heavier mount, the money goes there instead of into the goto which is the only advantage of the SLT. Goto is nice and convenient, but if you're OK with finding your own targets (really half the fun), the Omni is the way to go.
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Re: 102SLT vs. Omni 102

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They really are two different tools as you explain them and, of course, I want both. The portability and quick set up of the SLT is attractive while the higher quality mount and perhaps OTA of the XLT are attractive for different reasons.

Clearly, I need more thought and savings to do this right with a single better option once I drop a few more pennies in my piggy bank.

Thanks for the input Ozman and Bigzmey.
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Re: 102SLT vs. Omni 102

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Since you already have a nice DSO scope - Z8, the question is what are you looking for in the refractor setup?

102SLT essentially is a smaller grab and go DSO setup with GoTo.

102/F9.8 is more a refractor experience with sharper views of stars and planets.

If you are looking for the refractor experience you may consider saving up a bit more and go for 100mm ED doublet.
Scopes: Stellarvue: SV102ED; Celestron: 9.25" EdgeHD, 8" SCT, 150ST, Onyx 80ED; iOptron: Hankmeister 6" Mak; SW: 7" Mak; Meade: 80ST.
Mounts: SW: SkyTee2, AzGTi; iOptron: AZMP; ES: Twilight I; Bresser: EXOS2; UA: MicroStar.
Binos: APM: 100-90 APO; Canon: IS 15x50; Orion: Binoviewer, LG II 15x70, WV 10x50, Nikon: AE 16x50, 10x50, 8x40.
EPs: Pentax: XWs & XFs; TeleVue: Delites, Panoptic & Plossls; ES: 68, 62; Vixen: SLVs; Baader: BCOs, Aspherics, Mark IV.
Diagonals: Baader: BBHS mirror, Zeiss Spec T2 prism, Clicklock dielectric; TeleVue: Evebrite dielectric; AltairAstro: 2" prism.
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Observing: DSOs: 3106 (Completed: Messier, Herschel 1, 2, 3. In progress: H2,500: 2180, S110: 77). Doubles: 2382, Comets: 34, Asteroids: 255
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Re: 102SLT vs. Omni 102

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I think you are right Bigzmey. Ideally, I'd like to have both the portability and quality image in a single telescope. Are the ED OTA shorter and more portable than the standard apo long tubes generally?
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Re: 102SLT vs. Omni 102

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The Happy Parrot wrote: Thu May 16, 2019 12:27 pm I think you are right Bigzmey. Ideally, I'd like to have both the portability and quality image in a single telescope. Are the ED OTA shorter and more portable than the standard apo long tubes generally?
Focal ratio of APO/ED depends on the type of glass. F-ratios for 100mm could be between F6 and F9. Those in F6-F7 range are more compact and portable and could ride on light duty AltAz mounts or even photo tripods. Here are a couple of examples.

https://www.astronomics.com/astro-tech- ... r-ota.html

https://www.stellarvue.com/stellarvue-s ... telescope/

Stellarvue is better quality and comes at higher price, but even AstroTech would provide better views than Celestron 102mm scopes and would deliver on both DSOs and planets.
Scopes: Stellarvue: SV102ED; Celestron: 9.25" EdgeHD, 8" SCT, 150ST, Onyx 80ED; iOptron: Hankmeister 6" Mak; SW: 7" Mak; Meade: 80ST.
Mounts: SW: SkyTee2, AzGTi; iOptron: AZMP; ES: Twilight I; Bresser: EXOS2; UA: MicroStar.
Binos: APM: 100-90 APO; Canon: IS 15x50; Orion: Binoviewer, LG II 15x70, WV 10x50, Nikon: AE 16x50, 10x50, 8x40.
EPs: Pentax: XWs & XFs; TeleVue: Delites, Panoptic & Plossls; ES: 68, 62; Vixen: SLVs; Baader: BCOs, Aspherics, Mark IV.
Diagonals: Baader: BBHS mirror, Zeiss Spec T2 prism, Clicklock dielectric; TeleVue: Evebrite dielectric; AltairAstro: 2" prism.
Filters: Lumicon: DeepSky, UHC, OIII, H-beta; Baader: Moon & SkyGlow, Contrast Booster, UHC-S, 6-color set; Astronomik: UHC.

Observing: DSOs: 3106 (Completed: Messier, Herschel 1, 2, 3. In progress: H2,500: 2180, S110: 77). Doubles: 2382, Comets: 34, Asteroids: 255
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You hit the nail right on the head Bigzmey. The Astrotech 102 is within reach. The SV is magnificent but definitely out of my $ league.

Keeping an eye out for used equipment and dealer sales.
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Re: 102SLT vs. Omni 102

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The Happy Parrot wrote: Thu May 16, 2019 9:54 pm You hit the nail right on the head Bigzmey. The Astrotech 102 is within reach. The SV is magnificent but definitely out of my $ league.

Keeping an eye out for used equipment and dealer sales.
Not so long ago I had the same dilemma. I was looking for a small 80mm refractor for the travel kit. Initially I was considering 80mm short tube F5, for the compact size. However, I also wanted one with good planetary and double star performance. Eventually I realized that if you consider upgrades (like 2" focuser, mounting rings, etc.) the price of 80ST gets closer to a used 80mm ED scope. I found used Onyx 80ED on CloudyNights and can't be happier. It punches well above it's size on all kinds of targets, compact and super lightweight. Very sharp. Now it is one of the most used scopes. Even from home I often skip heavier rigs since it is so easy to just grab it and go. :D
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Scopes: Stellarvue: SV102ED; Celestron: 9.25" EdgeHD, 8" SCT, 150ST, Onyx 80ED; iOptron: Hankmeister 6" Mak; SW: 7" Mak; Meade: 80ST.
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Binos: APM: 100-90 APO; Canon: IS 15x50; Orion: Binoviewer, LG II 15x70, WV 10x50, Nikon: AE 16x50, 10x50, 8x40.
EPs: Pentax: XWs & XFs; TeleVue: Delites, Panoptic & Plossls; ES: 68, 62; Vixen: SLVs; Baader: BCOs, Aspherics, Mark IV.
Diagonals: Baader: BBHS mirror, Zeiss Spec T2 prism, Clicklock dielectric; TeleVue: Evebrite dielectric; AltairAstro: 2" prism.
Filters: Lumicon: DeepSky, UHC, OIII, H-beta; Baader: Moon & SkyGlow, Contrast Booster, UHC-S, 6-color set; Astronomik: UHC.

Observing: DSOs: 3106 (Completed: Messier, Herschel 1, 2, 3. In progress: H2,500: 2180, S110: 77). Doubles: 2382, Comets: 34, Asteroids: 255
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Re: 102SLT vs. Omni 102

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Nice scope Andrey! And the 2" focuser with it is sweet.
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Thanks Andrey, I saw the Onyx on your gallery and was wondering what it was. I was also admiring the small mount you have it on in the gallery picture.

Michael, looking at your signature it seems you don't have a goto set? Unless the ES152 counts as such?
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Re: 102SLT vs. Omni 102

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Thanks Michael and THP! The mount is Universal Astronomics MicroStar mount. It is a great portable mount. It weights under 3 lb but rated to 10lb. In my hands it handled up to 120mm short tube refractors no problem. As you see it also fits with the Onyx in carry-on Pelican case. Photo tripod (I use Slik Pro 700DX) goes into suitcase.
Scopes: Stellarvue: SV102ED; Celestron: 9.25" EdgeHD, 8" SCT, 150ST, Onyx 80ED; iOptron: Hankmeister 6" Mak; SW: 7" Mak; Meade: 80ST.
Mounts: SW: SkyTee2, AzGTi; iOptron: AZMP; ES: Twilight I; Bresser: EXOS2; UA: MicroStar.
Binos: APM: 100-90 APO; Canon: IS 15x50; Orion: Binoviewer, LG II 15x70, WV 10x50, Nikon: AE 16x50, 10x50, 8x40.
EPs: Pentax: XWs & XFs; TeleVue: Delites, Panoptic & Plossls; ES: 68, 62; Vixen: SLVs; Baader: BCOs, Aspherics, Mark IV.
Diagonals: Baader: BBHS mirror, Zeiss Spec T2 prism, Clicklock dielectric; TeleVue: Evebrite dielectric; AltairAstro: 2" prism.
Filters: Lumicon: DeepSky, UHC, OIII, H-beta; Baader: Moon & SkyGlow, Contrast Booster, UHC-S, 6-color set; Astronomik: UHC.

Observing: DSOs: 3106 (Completed: Messier, Herschel 1, 2, 3. In progress: H2,500: 2180, S110: 77). Doubles: 2382, Comets: 34, Asteroids: 255
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Chiming in a bit late here but I have a Celestron XLT102 F/6.4 I use it for solar, it does show some CA in DSO but for solar I have taken most of my really nice images with it. I tricked it out a bit replacing the focuser with a GSO dual speed and added rings to it. It is nice and light and easy to put on a mount, for grab and go I use a starseeker IV goto mount and it is really nice on it.
I just upgraded that part of my arsenal to a Lunt ED102 f/7 and that is a really nice piece of glass, really sharp on the sun.

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Thank you Ben. You are not late at all and the suggested Omni 102 on the Starseeker goto mount is precisely the sort of combination I've been pondering though not specifically for solar.

Is the chromic aberration on deep space objects overly distracting for visual purposes?
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Not to me, it isn't that severe
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Re: 102SLT vs. Omni 102

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Just as extra information, there is a aftermarket goto kit available for the CG-4, you have to order it from UK though.
Unless you are planning on looking at mostly bright objects an ED refractor is really not necessary when starting out.
The 102mm f6.5 is a good wide field DSO telescope where CA will normally not be an issue anyways and CA can be controlled to a certain degree by filtering as well.
The 102mm f/9.8 will give better planetary views and the CA is again filterable to a certain degree if needed.
Some people can easily ignore CA and others see it everywhere... :)
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One of the best low priced ED doublets in the 100mm size is the Skywatcher 100EDPro,
Excellent views though it is f/9 so a bit longer than the usually f/7 of most of these.
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+1 for the SW 100ED pro, it is a very nice scope and in a really nice case
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