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I'd like to learn the basics about AP, and I'd like to find a good book.
Most articles I've seen are about taking wide view photos with a DSLR, lens and tripod.
I'd be more interested in telescope, astrocam and tracking (guided) mount and stacking.
I'm not afraid of a little math and optics, but, as a Finn, I'm a little bit allergic to very lengthy inspirational blabber.
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I predict that you would really enjoy The Handbook of Astronomical Image Processing. The link lists some of the topics.

Unfortunately recently the publisher went out of business so the price of the book has sky-rocketed, so a used copy might make more sense.

http://www.wvi.com/~rberry/imageprocess ... ip4win.htm
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I found this quite useful when I started:

https://www.worldofbooks.com/en-gb/book ... %C2%A35.49

This is a bit of a favourite now. It's not just a list of targets. It goes into the capturing too:



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I'm more of a "learn by video" kinda guy these days so I'm not going to be much help when it comes to books but there are a ton of folks on YouTube that could be helpful. Dylan O'Donnell, Trevor @ AstroBackyard, Joe's Astrophoto. etc...
I have a bunch more but if you look at these guys and go way back in their library, you'll see a ton of videos from when they were just starting out.
BTW, Dylan is an acquired taste. He comes off a bit jerky but is truly a great guy.
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DEnc wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:41 pm I predict that you would really enjoy The Handbook of Astronomical Image Processing. The link lists some of the topics.

Unfortunately recently the publisher went out of business so the price of the book has sky-rocketed, so a used copy might make more sense.

http://www.wvi.com/~rberry/imageprocess ... ip4win.htm
Looks very interesting by the contents, but quite hard to find, and I'd, probably, have to double the price due to the customs situation.
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Graeme1858 wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:44 pm I found this quite useful when I started:

https://www.worldofbooks.com/en-gb/book ... %C2%A35.49

This is a bit of a favourite now. It's not just a list of targets. It goes into the capturing too:



Regards

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I wonder if it contains info about selecting gear?
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AstroBee wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:59 pm I'm more of a "learn by video" kinda guy these days so I'm not going to be much help when it comes to books but there are a ton of folks on YouTube that could be helpful. Dylan O'Donnell, Trevor @ AstroBackyard, Joe's Astrophoto. etc...
I have a bunch more but if you look at these guys and go way back in their library, you'll see a ton of videos from when they were just starting out.
BTW, Dylan is an acquired taste. He comes off a bit jerky but is truly a great guy.
I guess I wish to get some theory too.
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What do you say about "The Deep-sky Imaging Primer" by Charles Bracken?
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turboscrew wrote: Sun Aug 08, 2021 8:04 am What do you say about "The Deep-sky Imaging Primer" by Charles Bracken?
Excellent! I have it. I agree on all the recommendations so far. There are books by Thierry Legault, Alan Hall, Covington, and Seip (very short and simple, perhaps not enough theory for you) that are also good.
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notFritzArgelander wrote: Sun Aug 08, 2021 8:38 am
turboscrew wrote: Sun Aug 08, 2021 8:04 am What do you say about "The Deep-sky Imaging Primer" by Charles Bracken?
Excellent! I have it. I agree on all the recommendations so far. There are books by Thierry Legault, Alan Hall, Covington, and Seip (very short and simple, perhaps not enough theory for you) that are also good.
LEt me add to my post now that I'm at a desk with a laptop...

Bracken: https://www.amazon.com/Deep-sky-Imaging ... 154&sr=8-1

Hall: https://www.amazon.com/Getting-Started- ... 3477&psc=1

Covington: https://www.amazon.com/Digital-SLR-Astr ... =4&depth=1

Legault: https://www.amazon.com/Astrophotography ... 8435&psc=1

are in my library and recommended. The simpler but still clear headed Seip contains mostly encouragement https://www.amazon.com/Digital-Astropho ... oks&sr=1-7
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turboscrew wrote: Sun Aug 08, 2021 8:04 am What do you say about "The Deep-sky Imaging Primer" by Charles Bracken?
Hi Juha,

I have read tons of reviews of the "The Deep-sky Imaging Primer" and bought it before I imaged anything or had any imaging equipment.

The book is a must have, but personally, I got a whole lot more out of it after I started dabbling with imaging and getting familiar with the process and equipment. I re-read the book after I got started and wow, it all made sense and is a tremendous resource. A must have reference.

I definitely recommend it, but for me, I really didn't really understand a lot of it until I was off and running.

Also, at the time, I was a Startools user and only Photoshop and Pixinsight were covered in the book.

Youtube is a wonderful resource. Forrest Tanaka has a series (somewhat dated now, but the principles are the same) that is superb. In addition to Astrobackyard and Dylan, you might want to check out Cuiv, The Lazy Geek. I have really gotten a huge amount of knowledge from watching Cuiv's videos.

Good luck and have fun!
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Juno16 wrote: Sun Aug 08, 2021 8:44 pm
turboscrew wrote: Sun Aug 08, 2021 8:04 am What do you say about "The Deep-sky Imaging Primer" by Charles Bracken?
Hi Juha,

I have read tons of reviews of the "The Deep-sky Imaging Primer" and bought it before I imaged anything or had any imaging equipment.

The book is a must have, but personally, I got a whole lot more out of it after I started dabbling with imaging and getting familiar with the process and equipment. I re-read the book after I got started and wow, it all made sense and is a tremendous resource. A must have reference.

I definitely recommend it, but for me, I really didn't really understand a lot of it until I was off and running.

Also, at the time, I was a Startools user and only Photoshop and Pixinsight were covered in the book.

Youtube is a wonderful resource. Forrest Tanaka has a series (somewhat dated now, but the principles are the same) that is superb. In addition to Astrobackyard and Dylan, you might want to check out Cuiv, The Lazy Geek. I have really gotten a huge amount of knowledge from watching Cuiv's videos.

Good luck and have fun!
I'd like to get some theoretical knowledge too, and use that to figure out what to buy.
Also, I use mostly Linux, so I guess I have to find the SW and the ways to use the SW from not-so-obvious sources anyway. I think, my SW background might be helpful there. I've found that the videos are usually helpful when it comes to details, but not so much when some more general ideas are in question.

Like, I can calculate the angular coverage of a pixel, but I have very little idea of what stacking and other image manipulation can do, when there's some oversampling (light "leaking" to the adjacent pixels).
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turboscrew wrote: Sun Aug 08, 2021 9:00 pm
Juno16 wrote: Sun Aug 08, 2021 8:44 pm
turboscrew wrote: Sun Aug 08, 2021 8:04 am What do you say about "The Deep-sky Imaging Primer" by Charles Bracken?
Hi Juha,

I have read tons of reviews of the "The Deep-sky Imaging Primer" and bought it before I imaged anything or had any imaging equipment.

The book is a must have, but personally, I got a whole lot more out of it after I started dabbling with imaging and getting familiar with the process and equipment. I re-read the book after I got started and wow, it all made sense and is a tremendous resource. A must have reference.

I definitely recommend it, but for me, I really didn't really understand a lot of it until I was off and running.

Also, at the time, I was a Startools user and only Photoshop and Pixinsight were covered in the book.

Youtube is a wonderful resource. Forrest Tanaka has a series (somewhat dated now, but the principles are the same) that is superb. In addition to Astrobackyard and Dylan, you might want to check out Cuiv, The Lazy Geek. I have really gotten a huge amount of knowledge from watching Cuiv's videos.

Good luck and have fun!
I'd like to get some theoretical knowledge too, and use that to figure out what to buy.
Also, I use mostly Linux, so I guess I have to find the SW and the ways to use the SW from not-so-obvious sources anyway. I think, my SW background might be helpful there. I've found that the videos are usually helpful when it comes to details, but not so much when some more general ideas are in question.

Like, I can calculate the angular coverage of a pixel, but I have very little idea of what stacking and other image manipulation can do, when there's some oversampling (light "leaking" to the adjacent pixels).
Absolutely. "The Deep-sky Imaging Primer" is excellent and you will enjoy it very much. A "must have" for certain.

Just for me personally, I had to go through some "hard knocks" on my own before I really saw (and understood) the material in the book.
Jim

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Thanks folks. Ordered "The Deep-sky Imaging Primer" by Charles Bracken.
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The Bible:

https://kupdf.net/download/all-about-te ... 1cf739_pdf

Basic theory about optics in 'Dick and Jane' fashion, easy for the dense Finn head to absorb, remember my family is from Vaasa.

Photography section deals in film, but that doesn't matter, a sensor is a sensor.

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sdbodin wrote: Sun Aug 08, 2021 10:14 pm The Bible:

https://kupdf.net/download/all-about-te ... 1cf739_pdf

Basic theory about optics in 'Dick and Jane' fashion, easy for the dense Finn head to absorb, remember my family is from Vaasa.

Photography section deals in film, but that doesn't matter, a sensor is a sensor.

Good luck,
Steve
The link just showed me download links, and then:
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OK, Amazon link, but pricey,



Think I paid less than $10 when new, inflation.

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sdbodin wrote: Mon Aug 09, 2021 2:31 pm OK, Amazon link, but pricey,



Think I paid less than $10 when new, inflation.

Steve
Yep, a bit pricey for paperback: 3 Used from $119.05
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